[SPEAKER_01] - 00:02 That's a lot of people. How we doing, California? [SPEAKER_01] - 00:09 Is California ready for a Republican governor? [SPEAKER_01] - 00:12 Are you guys ready for one? [SPEAKER_01] - 00:14 There's something happening here in California. [SPEAKER_01] - 00:17 We're going to have a lot of fun. It's very hot. [SPEAKER_01] - 00:19 Don't be a hero. Make sure you drink water. [SPEAKER_01] - 00:21 Seek shade. Unfortunately, at some of these events, people faint and pass out. [SPEAKER_01] - 00:25 We do not want to see that happen. [SPEAKER_01] - 00:28 You already passed out. [SPEAKER_01] - 00:29 You want me to sign your hat? [SPEAKER_01] - 00:31 I'll sign your hat. [SPEAKER_01] - 00:34 Don't start fainting just to get a signed hat. [SPEAKER_01] - 00:37 We're going to have a lot of fun. [SPEAKER_01] - 00:40 You guys know the rules, and it's a great day to be here. [SPEAKER_01] - 00:43 We're going to start. [SPEAKER_01] - 00:44 We love you guys, too. [SPEAKER_01] - 00:46 And God bless California. [SPEAKER_01] - 00:47 God bless America. [SPEAKER_01] - 00:48 Let's get started. [SPEAKER_01] - 00:52 Hello. [SPEAKER_13] - 00:53 Hello. [SPEAKER_13] - 00:53 What's up, Charlie? [SPEAKER_13] - 00:54 Hey, dude. [SPEAKER_13] - 00:54 So first out, welcome to California, Riverside. [SPEAKER_13] - 00:58 What's up, Riverside? [SPEAKER_13] - 00:59 How's everyone doing so far, yeah? [SPEAKER_13] - 01:01 Yeah. [SPEAKER_13] - 01:01 All right, cool. [SPEAKER_13] - 01:03 So I'm just going to get started. [SPEAKER_13] - 01:04 Typically, I agree on a lot of stuff that you state, [SPEAKER_13] - 01:08 so literally in everything. [SPEAKER_13] - 01:10 The only reason I came up to debate was about abortions and rape abortions. [SPEAKER_13] - 01:15 And so recently, I was kind of for abortions, pro-choice. [SPEAKER_13] - 01:20 I recently had a daughter. [SPEAKER_13] - 01:22 She's seven weeks old, and I can't imagine living without her, [SPEAKER_13] - 01:25 so I appreciate it. [SPEAKER_13] - 01:27 And my only concern, as I was thinking about it, [SPEAKER_13] - 01:30 It's just hard for girls that do happen to get raped, you know, whether they're unconscious [SPEAKER_13] - 01:36 and drugged or just whatever happens, incest or whatever. [SPEAKER_13] - 01:40 Would you be able to just defend just any abortion or non-abortions on rape? [SPEAKER_13] - 01:45 And if I could just hear a point of view on that. [SPEAKER_01] - 01:47 Yeah, for sure. [SPEAKER_01] - 01:48 Thank you for the good faith question. [SPEAKER_01] - 01:49 And praise God that you welcome the daughter into this world. [SPEAKER_01] - 01:51 That's the best thing you said. [SPEAKER_01] - 01:54 Thank you. [SPEAKER_01] - 01:54 Look, needless to say, rape is a tragic thing and it's terrible. [SPEAKER_01] - 01:59 We believe that abortion is the taking of a life, which would be murder. [SPEAKER_01] - 02:02 Can I do a thought exercise with you? [SPEAKER_01] - 02:04 Is that okay? [SPEAKER_01] - 02:05 Yeah, of course. [SPEAKER_01] - 02:06 Okay, so I actually have a picture here. [SPEAKER_01] - 02:07 I brought it here because I do this so many times. [SPEAKER_01] - 02:09 So I have two ultrasounds here. [SPEAKER_01] - 02:10 You know what ultrasound is. [SPEAKER_01] - 02:11 Yeah, this isn't the dolphin, is it? [SPEAKER_01] - 02:13 No, these are two human beings. [SPEAKER_01] - 02:14 Okay. [SPEAKER_01] - 02:15 No. [SPEAKER_01] - 02:16 One of these two ultrasounds is a baby conceived in rape. [SPEAKER_01] - 02:20 Which one is it? [SPEAKER_13] - 02:22 I'm assuming the one on the left... [SPEAKER_01] - 02:24 No. [SPEAKER_13] - 02:27 No, okay. [SPEAKER_13] - 02:28 Oh, you know what? [SPEAKER_13] - 02:29 I don't know. [SPEAKER_01] - 02:30 You get the point? [SPEAKER_01] - 02:31 Yes. [SPEAKER_01] - 02:32 Yes. [SPEAKER_01] - 02:32 They're both human beings. [SPEAKER_01] - 02:33 Okay. [SPEAKER_01] - 02:34 Regardless of the method of conception, they're both human beings. [SPEAKER_01] - 02:36 Awesome. [SPEAKER_01] - 02:37 Okay. [SPEAKER_01] - 02:37 And it's not a gotcha. [SPEAKER_01] - 02:38 I just want you to think about... [SPEAKER_01] - 02:39 Yeah, of course. [SPEAKER_01] - 02:39 Because these are both human beings made in the image of God. [SPEAKER_01] - 02:43 The process of conception does not give you more or less rights. [SPEAKER_01] - 02:48 Of course. [SPEAKER_01] - 02:48 And so... [SPEAKER_01] - 02:49 We also do not believe that an evil action after an evil action is the right course. [SPEAKER_01] - 02:55 And so we believe that a human being must be protected. [SPEAKER_01] - 02:58 We must be consistent in that. [SPEAKER_01] - 02:59 And I've met thousands of people now across the country, hundreds I'll say, of people that were conceived in rape. [SPEAKER_01] - 03:05 And the mom was courageous enough to bring that baby to term. [SPEAKER_01] - 03:09 And now they're able to live amazing lives. [SPEAKER_01] - 03:11 And so we must be consistent that human beings are made in the image of God. [SPEAKER_01] - 03:15 They have a soul, and that just because of the method or conception, [SPEAKER_01] - 03:18 you don't get to have your life taken away from you. [SPEAKER_13] - 03:20 Yes, sir. [SPEAKER_13] - 03:21 Now, what about the trauma that it may or may not bring the mother? [SPEAKER_13] - 03:26 Just kind of living on her own self, maybe can't defend having the baby [SPEAKER_13] - 03:32 just because she wasn't ready in the first place, [SPEAKER_13] - 03:35 and now her whole life just got switched around. [SPEAKER_13] - 03:38 If you can explain that for me, please. [SPEAKER_13] - 03:39 Yes. [SPEAKER_01] - 03:39 Yeah, so it's a little bit of a false choice because an abortion can also be very traumatic as well. [SPEAKER_01] - 03:44 To say that abortion is just like getting a haircut, it's nonsensical. [SPEAKER_01] - 03:48 It's not just the cosmetic procedure. [SPEAKER_01] - 03:50 Yeah, I agree. [SPEAKER_01] - 03:50 And so we acknowledge, of course, that there can be trauma, but trauma is never an excuse for taking a life. [SPEAKER_01] - 03:56 If you say, I have a mental health issue, are you allowed to take somebody else's life? [SPEAKER_01] - 04:00 Of course not. [SPEAKER_01] - 04:01 That's never morally defensible. [SPEAKER_01] - 04:03 Under no moral framework, are we able to say that that is true or correct? [SPEAKER_13] - 04:06 Cool. [SPEAKER_13] - 04:06 I appreciate it. [SPEAKER_13] - 04:07 Also, I have a second question real fast. [SPEAKER_01] - 04:08 Really quick. [SPEAKER_13] - 04:09 Yeah, I'm sorry. [SPEAKER_13] - 04:10 So we're five months into the President Trump's presidency, and a lot of Democrats will state, [SPEAKER_13] - 04:14 you know, like, oh, he's doing this wrong and this, this, this. [SPEAKER_13] - 04:17 The gas prices are still up. [SPEAKER_13] - 04:19 The food is still up. [SPEAKER_13] - 04:21 When do you think we will see change? [SPEAKER_01] - 04:22 Well, gas prices in California are up. [SPEAKER_01] - 04:25 Actually, across the country, they're going down dramatically. [SPEAKER_01] - 04:27 One of the reasons is that Gavin Newsom and Democrats have intentionally done this. [SPEAKER_01] - 04:32 You should do them. [SPEAKER_01] - 04:33 The way that, again, it's a little wonky, but it's a refinery issue. [SPEAKER_01] - 04:37 You guys have made a decision here in this state to have intentionally high gas prices. [SPEAKER_01] - 04:42 And because of that, your leaders here in California, [SPEAKER_01] - 04:45 they basically almost wanted to make it impossible to own a petroleum-based petroleum-fired vehicle. [SPEAKER_01] - 04:53 And we want to try to bring gas prices down for all Americans. [SPEAKER_01] - 04:56 One of the reasons why I hope that you guys get a new governor in 2026. [SPEAKER_01] - 04:59 Bianco, baby. [SPEAKER_13] - 05:01 Yes. [SPEAKER_13] - 05:01 Awesome. Would you mind? [SPEAKER_01] - 05:02 Thank you. [SPEAKER_01] - 05:03 Yeah, sure, of course. You would like a hat too. [SPEAKER_01] - 05:05 Do. Yeah. God bless you, man. Thank you. Here's your hat. [SPEAKER_01] - 05:07 Thank you. Next question. Great. Thank you. [SPEAKER_09] - 05:10 All right. Well, good afternoon. [SPEAKER_09] - 05:12 I've been a long time fan. [SPEAKER_01] - 05:14 Thank you. Just talk right into the mic if you can, please. [SPEAKER_09] - 05:16 Oh, okay. [SPEAKER_09] - 05:18 The topic I want to discuss with you today is, it's, sorry, it's on reparations, but more so why there's a bias towards black Americans when it comes to reparations now. [SPEAKER_09] - 05:32 I understand that no black American alive has ever been a slave. I acknowledge that. [SPEAKER_09] - 05:38 However, sorry. [SPEAKER_09] - 05:41 Sorry. [SPEAKER_09] - 05:43 The point I wanted to make is that reparations have been given to other ethnic groups, Asian [SPEAKER_09] - 05:50 Americans for their incarceration during World War II, Native Hawaiians, sorry I wrote it [SPEAKER_09] - 05:59 all down, but even former slave owners, specifically the ones in the North, they had to give up [SPEAKER_09] - 06:06 their slaves, they were compensated for former slaves. [SPEAKER_09] - 06:09 However, why is it? [SPEAKER_09] - 06:11 that when it comes to black people receiving reparations, [SPEAKER_09] - 06:15 there seems to be a lot of pushback to the point where now, [SPEAKER_09] - 06:19 you know, there's, you know, now it's almost laughable [SPEAKER_09] - 06:22 to even think about black people getting reparations for something in the past. [SPEAKER_01] - 06:26 Well, for any of those examples, [SPEAKER_01] - 06:28 was there intergenerational reparations given? [SPEAKER_01] - 06:30 Yeah. [SPEAKER_01] - 06:30 No. [SPEAKER_01] - 06:32 So they're not necessarily applicable, right? [SPEAKER_01] - 06:34 So those were the actual people that received it because a wrong was done to them. [SPEAKER_01] - 06:38 We're talking about something 150 years removed. [SPEAKER_01] - 06:42 And also, not every black person is a descendant of slaves. [SPEAKER_01] - 06:47 Some are mixed race. [SPEAKER_01] - 06:49 Some are able to prove that. [SPEAKER_01] - 06:51 But I think more importantly, we should ask the question, have we spent a lot of money [SPEAKER_01] - 06:55 on the black community the last 50 years? [SPEAKER_01] - 06:58 And if so, has it worked? [SPEAKER_09] - 07:00 It's a good question because, I mean, obviously there are certain communities in Black America that are not so great. [SPEAKER_09] - 07:09 You know, some of them, some of the traumas and problems they have are of their own making. [SPEAKER_09] - 07:14 I acknowledge that. [SPEAKER_09] - 07:15 Thankfully, I was raised away from all that to loving parents. [SPEAKER_09] - 07:18 Yeah. [SPEAKER_09] - 07:19 But... [SPEAKER_01] - 07:20 And that's the greatest thing that you are, if not the greatest. [SPEAKER_01] - 07:24 And that's my hope for every child, black, white, or Asian to have two parents. [SPEAKER_01] - 07:27 That is a ticket to success. [SPEAKER_01] - 07:29 Please continue. [SPEAKER_09] - 07:30 But the example I wanted to use was the two Tulsa survivors. [SPEAKER_09] - 07:36 They tried, you know, they're aged, you know, over 100 years old. [SPEAKER_09] - 07:40 They've tried to sue the Oklahoma government for reparations for their lost property. [SPEAKER_09] - 07:45 And they were actually denied reparations. [SPEAKER_09] - 07:47 And to me, when I read about that, because that, to me, that was kind of the test to see like, okay, they say reparations shouldn't go to people who weren't directly affected. [SPEAKER_09] - 07:57 Well, here we have two people who were directly affected, who were there. [SPEAKER_09] - 08:01 and they were still denied reparations. [SPEAKER_09] - 08:03 So to me, that kind of confirmed that it was never about who was directly affected or not. [SPEAKER_09] - 08:09 To me, it just sounds like there's a bias towards black Americans. [SPEAKER_01] - 08:12 Okay, I don't know about that instance. [SPEAKER_01] - 08:14 I'll look into it. [SPEAKER_01] - 08:16 But more broadly, I do want to just repeat the point. [SPEAKER_01] - 08:19 And something to think about, you don't have to answer it, that we've spent trillions of dollars on trying to improve the well-being of Black Americans since the 1960s. [SPEAKER_01] - 08:27 And actually, Black America is poorer per capita and on average in relation to other groups than it was in the 1960s. [SPEAKER_01] - 08:34 So I would argue it's actually not a resource or a money thing. [SPEAKER_01] - 08:37 It's a values thing. [SPEAKER_01] - 08:38 And the values, unfortunately, that are predominantly in the Black community right now are quasi-suicidal. [SPEAKER_09] - 08:45 Fair point. [SPEAKER_09] - 08:46 But, yeah, basically I just wanted to, I didn't know if I was going to change your mind, but it's something I wanted you to think about. [SPEAKER_01] - 08:53 I'll research the example that you gave, and thank you for watching our content and being a supporter. [SPEAKER_01] - 08:58 Definitely. [SPEAKER_01] - 08:58 Would you like a hat? [SPEAKER_01] - 08:59 Thank you. Yes, sir. Thank you. [SPEAKER_01] - 09:08 Appreciate it. [SPEAKER_01] - 09:08 God bless. [SPEAKER_01] - 09:10 Thank you, man. It's great. Thank you. [SPEAKER_01] - 09:12 I've talked about Patriot Mobile's commitment to faith, family, and freedom. [SPEAKER_01] - 09:16 Have you made the switch yet? [SPEAKER_01] - 09:17 Support your values with your cell phone without sacrificing quality or service. [SPEAKER_01] - 09:22 Are you worried about coverage? Don't be. [SPEAKER_01] - 09:24 Patriot Mobile uses all three major U.S. networks. [SPEAKER_01] - 09:28 If you have a cell phone service today, you can get service with Patriot Mobile. [SPEAKER_01] - 09:33 Do you think switching is hard? [SPEAKER_01] - 09:34 It's not. [SPEAKER_01] - 09:35 Their 100% U.S.-based customer service team can activate you in minutes. [SPEAKER_01] - 09:39 They even have a contract buyout. [SPEAKER_01] - 09:41 So go to patriotmobile.com slash Kirk25 or call 972 Patriot. [SPEAKER_01] - 09:46 Use promo code Kirk25 for a free month of service. [SPEAKER_00] - 09:52 Right here. [SPEAKER_00] - 10:00 Hi, good afternoon. [SPEAKER_00] - 10:02 So my stance today is honestly on immigration. [SPEAKER_00] - 10:05 So I think... [SPEAKER_00] - 10:06 Let me just raise that a little bit and start. [SPEAKER_00] - 10:09 Maybe it keeps sticks here. [SPEAKER_00] - 10:12 Does that sound better? [SPEAKER_00] - 10:13 What? [SPEAKER_00] - 10:15 Okay. [SPEAKER_00] - 10:17 Okay, so my stance today is on immigration. [SPEAKER_00] - 10:19 I think that immigration contributes a lot to America. [SPEAKER_00] - 10:23 So my parents did come here legally, and they right now are in the process again, and it takes a long time. [SPEAKER_00] - 10:28 Okay. [SPEAKER_00] - 10:29 No, they came here legally. [SPEAKER_00] - 10:30 Like they came with their visa, [SPEAKER_00] - 10:31 and now they're renewing it, [SPEAKER_00] - 10:32 and that's a different process right now. [SPEAKER_00] - 10:34 But so I'm really religious. [SPEAKER_00] - 10:36 I'm Catholic. [SPEAKER_00] - 10:37 My parents grew me up that way. [SPEAKER_00] - 10:38 And in Matthew 2, 13 through 15, [SPEAKER_00] - 10:40 it talks about how Jesus had to flee Nazareth, [SPEAKER_00] - 10:43 or no, Bethlehem, sorry. [SPEAKER_00] - 10:44 He had to flee because someone was going to die. [SPEAKER_00] - 10:47 And they were looking to kill him, [SPEAKER_00] - 10:49 and he had to flee his own country [SPEAKER_00] - 10:50 and leave everything behind [SPEAKER_00] - 10:51 because the angel spoke to Mary and Joseph [SPEAKER_00] - 10:54 that they should leave. [SPEAKER_00] - 10:55 So a lot of people... [SPEAKER_00] - 10:57 do that. That's why they immigrate to the United States. A lot of people have to leave everything [SPEAKER_00] - 11:02 behind because not everyone just wants to pack up all the things and leave. Right now, I personally [SPEAKER_00] - 11:05 would hate if I had to sell my car, my house, leave my parents, leave my friends, and leave [SPEAKER_00] - 11:10 everyone. So I just want to know what your stance is on that, just because in the Bible, it talks [SPEAKER_00] - 11:14 about that. [SPEAKER_01] - 11:16 Right. So first of all, Jesus actually didn't emigrate. [SPEAKER_01] - 11:18 He stayed within the confines of the Roman Empire because Egypt was actually under Roman jurisdiction. [SPEAKER_01] - 11:24 That's a separate point. [SPEAKER_01] - 11:25 But there are plenty of verses that says you should welcome the stranger, and so I will grant you that. [SPEAKER_01] - 11:29 I guess the first point I would have to ask is, should immigration always benefit the home country? [SPEAKER_00] - 11:36 I think so, yes. And that is one thing that I looked into. So there are immigrants right now working here, correct? And they get some of their paycheck cut off, right, because of Social Security and all those benefits. But they don't get those benefits because they're illegal immigrants. So do you mean legal or illegal immigrants? That distinction is very important. [SPEAKER_00] - 11:53 Illegal. They don't get those benefits. [SPEAKER_01] - 11:54 So let's just be clear. If they have a Social Security number, how did they get that? [SPEAKER_01] - 11:59 The right way. [SPEAKER_01] - 12:00 They stole it. [SPEAKER_01] - 12:01 You don't get a social security number as an illegal period. [SPEAKER_01] - 12:05 It does not happen. [SPEAKER_01] - 12:06 They stole it. [SPEAKER_01] - 12:07 So that's an act of theft. [SPEAKER_01] - 12:09 So they stole an American social security number to be able to work here, which drives down wages, which drives down opportunity costs. [SPEAKER_01] - 12:17 But even beyond that, we just have to look at their action. [SPEAKER_01] - 12:20 They were not invited to come to this country. [SPEAKER_01] - 12:22 They broke in line. They caught in line. [SPEAKER_01] - 12:24 And we should not reward line cutters or border jumpers. [SPEAKER_01] - 12:28 We should reward people like your parents that actually came here legally to this country. [SPEAKER_00] - 12:35 Yeah, I understand that point. I really do. [SPEAKER_00] - 12:39 But sometimes people generally need to leave their country. [SPEAKER_00] - 12:41 Because in my mother's case, for instance, there was a terrorist attack on my family. [SPEAKER_00] - 12:46 And that's the reason my mom had to come. [SPEAKER_00] - 12:48 And thankfully, she did get it immediately. [SPEAKER_00] - 12:50 But now I've heard of so many stories where people have to wait like 10 years, 20 years, even 30 years. [SPEAKER_00] - 12:55 Like my grandma right now is trying to get the process in. [SPEAKER_00] - 12:57 And thankfully she is now, but it's taken her about 10 years now, [SPEAKER_00] - 13:00 and she makes enough money in her country, [SPEAKER_00] - 13:02 and she just wants to come here as a tourist. [SPEAKER_00] - 13:04 That's the main reason. [SPEAKER_00] - 13:05 And I do understand that. [SPEAKER_00] - 13:07 I think that my main point is how we should implement more money [SPEAKER_00] - 13:10 into the immigration system, [SPEAKER_00] - 13:12 because Trump's zero tolerance policy [SPEAKER_00] - 13:14 That just felt cruel because there's a lot of people here that are doing well and zero tolerance. [SPEAKER_00] - 13:20 They just have to leave the country. [SPEAKER_00] - 13:21 I feel like that was infamated with him. [SPEAKER_01] - 13:23 Yeah, but it's not their country, though. [SPEAKER_01] - 13:25 And that's the... [SPEAKER_01] - 13:25 So let me just... [SPEAKER_01] - 13:26 Here's... [SPEAKER_01] - 13:27 If I went to Mexico without being invited or allowed and I took a job and the Mexican government found out, what would the Mexican government do to me? [SPEAKER_01] - 13:38 I'm not sure. [SPEAKER_01] - 13:39 They would send me back to America. [SPEAKER_01] - 13:40 Okay. [SPEAKER_00] - 13:40 And why was the reason you left the U.S. first? [SPEAKER_01] - 13:44 Well, again, so, okay, as far as the audio guys, we're going as loud as the university allows us. [SPEAKER_01] - 13:48 There's a decibel count, so we're going to keep pushing the amount as much as we can, okay? [SPEAKER_01] - 13:52 So we get in trouble. I'll blame all of you. [SPEAKER_01] - 13:56 So reason, that's an interesting thing. [SPEAKER_01] - 13:58 Is there ever a legitimate reason, in your opinion, to commit a crime? [SPEAKER_01] - 14:03 No. [SPEAKER_01] - 14:04 Well, then the reason doesn't matter. [SPEAKER_01] - 14:06 Because under that state, so let's, can you rob a bank because you wish you had more money? [SPEAKER_00] - 14:10 No, you work harder. [SPEAKER_01] - 14:12 Then why doesn't that moral standard apply to immigration? [SPEAKER_00] - 14:15 Because the system isn't doing its job. [SPEAKER_00] - 14:18 That's why I think we should implement more money. [SPEAKER_00] - 14:20 Because there is some people, like I do get it. [SPEAKER_00] - 14:21 You know, some people come here and then I do admit some of them commit crime but not all of them. [SPEAKER_01] - 14:26 No, no, but they're all criminals if they came illegally. [SPEAKER_01] - 14:28 That's the distinction. [SPEAKER_01] - 14:30 By definition, they're breaking federal law, 8 U.S.C. 1312. [SPEAKER_01] - 14:34 Just their presence here is against the law. [SPEAKER_00] - 14:37 And let's say you're here in the U.S., okay? [SPEAKER_00] - 14:39 You have, from what I think I've heard, I think you have two daughters, correct? [SPEAKER_01] - 14:43 A daughter and a son. [SPEAKER_00] - 14:44 A daughter and a son. [SPEAKER_00] - 14:45 Okay. [SPEAKER_00] - 14:45 You have a daughter and a son. [SPEAKER_00] - 14:47 Let's say someone is attacking your family, like targeting you guys. [SPEAKER_00] - 14:52 You love your children, I'm assuming. [SPEAKER_01] - 14:54 Well, hold on. [SPEAKER_01] - 14:55 I actually, someone, every day we get death threats, so this is not an abstraction. [SPEAKER_01] - 14:59 And I'm not leaving America. [SPEAKER_00] - 15:01 That makes sense, but because the United States, the... [SPEAKER_01] - 15:05 I mean, so it's actually very real. [SPEAKER_01] - 15:07 Every day someone says they want to murder me and kill my family. [SPEAKER_01] - 15:09 I'm staying. [SPEAKER_00] - 15:10 But has anyone genuinely ever, like, driven to your house? [SPEAKER_00] - 15:13 And, like, a dry fire? [SPEAKER_01] - 15:14 I'm not going to get into the details, but plenty of people have been arrested trying to kill me. [SPEAKER_01] - 15:18 If any, okay. [SPEAKER_01] - 15:18 So, I mean, but here's the idea. [SPEAKER_01] - 15:20 And, by the way, if we apply this, if we apply that logic that if somebody is in danger, they're allowed to come to America, [SPEAKER_01] - 15:28 would you be okay welcoming 500 million people into America? [SPEAKER_00] - 15:31 That's why we should implement the system to understand each person's case. [SPEAKER_01] - 15:34 Do you think 500 million people would be too many people? [SPEAKER_00] - 15:37 500 million? I don't even think that would fit the United States. [SPEAKER_01] - 15:39 I agree, and that's the point, is that if everyone all of a sudden declared that their life was in danger, [SPEAKER_01] - 15:44 we'd have to let in, like, all of Nicaragua, all of Honduras, almost all of Venezuela, [SPEAKER_01] - 15:49 The standard all of a sudden starts falling apart. [SPEAKER_01] - 15:52 And we find that people lie about this, they deceive it. [SPEAKER_01] - 15:55 Here's my perspective. [SPEAKER_01] - 15:57 Why don't we try to empower those people to make the countries they're coming from greater and stronger [SPEAKER_01] - 16:02 else this problem will actually never be fixed at the root level? [SPEAKER_01] - 16:05 Does that make sense? [SPEAKER_00] - 16:06 It does make sense. [SPEAKER_00] - 16:07 And I wish it was that easy. [SPEAKER_00] - 16:09 So for instance, I am part Peruvian and in Peru, so they were having a presidential election. [SPEAKER_00] - 16:16 And the president who was going to win was better for the country and would help out a [SPEAKER_00] - 16:20 lot more. [SPEAKER_00] - 16:21 But since it's corrupt, they made the other president win. [SPEAKER_00] - 16:24 They sent him death threats, nearly almost killed him. [SPEAKER_00] - 16:26 He had to fake his death and leave and they jailed her. [SPEAKER_00] - 16:30 They jailed her completely and they let the guy win. [SPEAKER_00] - 16:32 That is why it's corrupt. [SPEAKER_00] - 16:33 It's hard to fix a country when there's no help towards it. [SPEAKER_00] - 16:37 So Peru was. [SPEAKER_00] - 16:38 They were rooting for the good president. [SPEAKER_00] - 16:40 They were rooting to build their system back up. [SPEAKER_00] - 16:42 But the other president, it was rigged. [SPEAKER_00] - 16:44 It was completely rigged. [SPEAKER_01] - 16:45 So does it make it better or worse if millions of people leave that country? [SPEAKER_01] - 16:50 For Peru. [SPEAKER_00] - 16:52 Can you, like, what do you mean by leave? [SPEAKER_01] - 16:54 If 3 million people left Peru, does Peru get greater or weaker? [SPEAKER_01] - 16:57 Stronger or weaker? [SPEAKER_00] - 17:02 Neither. [SPEAKER_00] - 17:03 I mean, it's in a weak state right now. [SPEAKER_01] - 17:04 I mean, it's pretty obvious. [SPEAKER_01] - 17:06 I'm trying to even say that mass immigration is bad for everybody. [SPEAKER_01] - 17:09 It's bad for America and it's bad for the country that people are leaving from. [SPEAKER_01] - 17:12 The only difference is that they send back American money through remittances that actually subsidize this entire thing. [SPEAKER_01] - 17:18 Let me ask one final question. [SPEAKER_01] - 17:20 If somebody comes into America without invitation and they are illegal, what do you think the penalty should be? [SPEAKER_00] - 17:27 I think it's humane to look at their case and why they had to leave everything they've ever known. [SPEAKER_01] - 17:32 Yeah. [SPEAKER_01] - 17:33 We believe that we should send them back to their country of origin. [SPEAKER_00] - 17:40 I just want to make one more final point. [SPEAKER_00] - 17:42 So I do understand that, but my final point is that [SPEAKER_00] - 17:45 do you agree that we should implement more money to the immigration system? [SPEAKER_01] - 17:47 No, I think we should have no immigrants in the country for the next 10 years. [SPEAKER_01] - 17:50 We have way too many people in this country, [SPEAKER_01] - 17:52 and I'll prove it to you here in California. [SPEAKER_01] - 17:54 Your hospitals are overrun. [SPEAKER_01] - 17:56 Your schools are overrun. [SPEAKER_01] - 17:58 Do you guys agree that you have a crowded state right now? [SPEAKER_01] - 18:01 We are a, California is a cluttered state with social services that are being strained. [SPEAKER_01] - 18:09 And we need a pause on all immigration, in my opinion, to metaphorically digest the major meal that we just ate, [SPEAKER_01] - 18:17 or else we are going to have a major, major assimilation problem, cultural problem, cohesion problem, all sorts of issues. [SPEAKER_01] - 18:26 And I know this is a provocative thing to say, but immigration is something that you use as a way to benefit the homeland. [SPEAKER_01] - 18:33 You don't have to have immigration. [SPEAKER_01] - 18:35 Right. [SPEAKER_00] - 18:35 But just as an example, my parents came here, like I said, legally zero dollars and they have benefited so much to the country. [SPEAKER_00] - 18:42 They have made so much like hundreds and thousands of dollars. [SPEAKER_01] - 18:44 Praise God, that's the American dream. [SPEAKER_00] - 18:46 It is, and it's just like a hard thing to do. [SPEAKER_01] - 18:48 And I want American boring young people from UC Riverside to also have that American dream and not have to compete against foreigners for that. [SPEAKER_01] - 18:56 Thank you for your time. [SPEAKER_00] - 18:57 Can I say one point? [SPEAKER_01] - 18:58 We have a long line. [SPEAKER_01] - 18:59 Thank you. [SPEAKER_01] - 18:59 Can I really quick though? [SPEAKER_01] - 19:00 Okay, again, what is it? [SPEAKER_01] - 19:01 Sorry, I'm sorry. [SPEAKER_00] - 19:02 Okay, I understand the American dream is hard. [SPEAKER_00] - 19:04 My parents, my mom was pregnant working two jobs one day, and she sacrificed everything, [SPEAKER_00] - 19:10 and now she has more money than the average American. [SPEAKER_01] - 19:12 Praise God. [SPEAKER_01] - 19:13 That is the American dream. [SPEAKER_01] - 19:14 Thank you very much. [SPEAKER_01] - 19:14 It's hard work. [SPEAKER_01] - 19:15 Thank you. [SPEAKER_01] - 19:16 Thank you. [SPEAKER_01] - 19:17 And I'm glad she came here legally. [SPEAKER_01] - 19:18 That deserves to be applauded. [SPEAKER_01] - 19:20 Very much so. [SPEAKER_01] - 19:21 Thank you. [SPEAKER_06] - 19:21 Hey, Charlie. [SPEAKER_06] - 19:22 Hey, everyone. [SPEAKER_06] - 19:23 How are you? [SPEAKER_06] - 19:24 So today, I'll be honest. [SPEAKER_06] - 19:27 Right in the mic. [SPEAKER_06] - 19:28 Good to meet you. [SPEAKER_06] - 19:29 I'm not a very political person. [SPEAKER_06] - 19:31 I'm here for the love of the game only, and I want to see your views, you know? [SPEAKER_06] - 19:36 So my topic of discussion is going to be that college is not a scam. [SPEAKER_06] - 19:41 And please hear me out till the end before I ask my question, so it kind of makes sense. [SPEAKER_06] - 19:45 So I understand everything you say. [SPEAKER_06] - 19:49 You said college is a scam, and the issue is because there's a lot of student loans, [SPEAKER_06] - 19:53 there's people who drop out of college every year, [SPEAKER_06] - 19:56 there's a lot of people who can't find jobs, governments funding it, [SPEAKER_06] - 19:59 and why should taxpayers pay for it, right? [SPEAKER_06] - 20:00 I understand. It's a concern. It's valid. [SPEAKER_06] - 20:03 But at the same time, scam means fraud, and fraud is, [SPEAKER_06] - 20:07 is not what college is, because colleges don't promise guaranteed success. [SPEAKER_06] - 20:11 Colleges promise access to resources which they do deliver. [SPEAKER_06] - 20:15 And it's up to the people to actually be accountable and use those resources correctly. [SPEAKER_06] - 20:20 But what happens a lot of times is that a lot of people don't use it correctly and fail. [SPEAKER_06] - 20:24 I do agree that there needs to be reforms. [SPEAKER_06] - 20:26 I think especially the funding of colleges should be reformed, how the government funds may be limited, [SPEAKER_06] - 20:32 maybe more structured with more oversight. [SPEAKER_06] - 20:34 Right. [SPEAKER_06] - 20:34 but at the end of the day, colleges do provide a lot of value to the society, [SPEAKER_06] - 20:39 and also people who do go to colleges on average, statistically, [SPEAKER_06] - 20:43 earn higher income on average, have half the unemployment rate, [SPEAKER_06] - 20:47 and they have more opportunities. [SPEAKER_06] - 20:49 So my question to you is, are you denying the data? [SPEAKER_01] - 20:52 Okay, so let's define a scam. What is a scam? [SPEAKER_06] - 20:54 Well, I just defined it. Fraud, right? [SPEAKER_01] - 20:56 Yes. So would you agree in a scam you force a customer to buy something against their will? [SPEAKER_01] - 21:00 Here's the thing. [SPEAKER_01] - 21:01 Yes or no? [SPEAKER_01] - 21:01 I let you talk. [SPEAKER_01] - 21:02 Yes or no? [SPEAKER_01] - 21:03 Yes, but here. [SPEAKER_01] - 21:03 Okay, how many of you have to take classes against your will that are wasting their time? [SPEAKER_01] - 21:06 Look around. [SPEAKER_01] - 21:07 Hold on. [SPEAKER_01] - 21:07 Hold on. [SPEAKER_01] - 21:08 Look around. [SPEAKER_01] - 21:08 But here's? [SPEAKER_01] - 21:09 I let you talk. [SPEAKER_01] - 21:10 Look around. [SPEAKER_01] - 21:10 Charlie, I'll be honest. [SPEAKER_01] - 21:11 You haven't looked around yet. [SPEAKER_06] - 21:11 I've taken classes myself. [SPEAKER_01] - 21:13 Every hand is up. [SPEAKER_01] - 21:14 Hold on. [SPEAKER_01] - 21:14 You just agreed a scam would make people buy something against their will, [SPEAKER_01] - 21:18 and every hand went up in the audience saying they have to take classes against their will. [SPEAKER_01] - 21:22 You just now agreed using Aristotelian logic... [SPEAKER_01] - 21:25 That that's a scam. [SPEAKER_06] - 21:27 Hold on. [SPEAKER_06] - 21:28 Don't people choose to go to college? [SPEAKER_01] - 21:29 Not always. [SPEAKER_01] - 21:30 Well, of course they have the agency. [SPEAKER_01] - 21:32 A lot are pressured by parents. [SPEAKER_01] - 21:34 Time out. [SPEAKER_01] - 21:35 Of course they have the agency to do that. [SPEAKER_01] - 21:37 But there is a cultural expectation to get that piece of paper. [SPEAKER_01] - 21:40 Secondly, to your point about earning more money, do you know half? [SPEAKER_01] - 21:43 Do you know half? [SPEAKER_01] - 21:43 of the kids in this audience, if they get a job, [SPEAKER_01] - 21:46 they'll get a job that does not require a college degree. [SPEAKER_06] - 21:48 I've actually fact-checked your data. [SPEAKER_01] - 21:51 It's from the Department of Education. [SPEAKER_06] - 21:52 Yeah, that's true. [SPEAKER_06] - 21:53 The reality is that's true only for entry-level roles. [SPEAKER_06] - 21:55 Later in the career, that's not the case. [SPEAKER_06] - 21:57 Average college graduate earns 80% higher income [SPEAKER_06] - 22:00 compared to high school graduates. [SPEAKER_01] - 22:01 If they graduate. [SPEAKER_01] - 22:03 At median... [SPEAKER_01] - 22:03 See, that's a deceiving statistic. [SPEAKER_01] - 22:05 I wrote a whole book on this. [SPEAKER_01] - 22:06 It's very deceiving. [SPEAKER_01] - 22:07 Let me tell you why. [SPEAKER_01] - 22:08 Because you're taking the top income earners of doctors and lawyers and engineers, [SPEAKER_01] - 22:11 and it brings the average up even more. [SPEAKER_01] - 22:13 When in reality, you look at people who study the humanities. [SPEAKER_01] - 22:16 You have a big humanities school at UC Riverside. [SPEAKER_01] - 22:18 They will, on average, earn maybe 50 or 60,000 a year. [SPEAKER_01] - 22:21 Secondly. [SPEAKER_06] - 22:22 Even liberal arts graduates earn 15 to 40,000 more than high school graduates. [SPEAKER_01] - 22:26 Incorrect. [SPEAKER_01] - 22:27 That's old data. [SPEAKER_01] - 22:27 That's correct. [SPEAKER_01] - 22:28 How many here would be thrilled earning $70,000 a year right now? [SPEAKER_01] - 22:32 That's higher than the average. [SPEAKER_01] - 22:33 Wrong. [SPEAKER_01] - 22:34 According to the Wall Street Journal, hundreds of thousands of high school juniors. [SPEAKER_01] - 22:38 High school juniors getting $70,000 a year job offers for not going to college to become plumbers, welders, and electricians. [SPEAKER_01] - 22:45 They don't have to go to college. [SPEAKER_01] - 22:46 They don't have to get student loan debt. [SPEAKER_01] - 22:47 I let you talk, let me talk. [SPEAKER_01] - 22:49 So they don't have to go into debt. [SPEAKER_01] - 22:51 They don't have to get any degree. [SPEAKER_01] - 22:53 I'm sure almost everyone in this audience would be like, [SPEAKER_01] - 22:54 boy, I would kill to earn 70 grand a year. [SPEAKER_01] - 22:57 And yet how many people in this audience were told a fair hearing, [SPEAKER_01] - 23:00 hey, you don't need to go to four-year college. [SPEAKER_01] - 23:02 You could earn 70 grand as a high school junior to become a welder. [SPEAKER_01] - 23:06 Hold on, Charlie. [SPEAKER_01] - 23:07 That is not a truth. [SPEAKER_06] - 23:08 The Bureau of Labor Statistics says that, on average, the college graduates earn about 30% higher than trade school graduates. [SPEAKER_01] - 23:17 And I agree. [SPEAKER_01] - 23:18 There are alternatives. [SPEAKER_06] - 23:19 College is not for everyone. [SPEAKER_06] - 23:20 I totally agree with you. [SPEAKER_06] - 23:21 People could go to trade school. [SPEAKER_06] - 23:22 They could start a business. [SPEAKER_06] - 23:23 But everything comes with risk. [SPEAKER_06] - 23:25 We got to look at what is college promising the students. [SPEAKER_06] - 23:27 College is promising students. [SPEAKER_06] - 23:29 Access to resources and it provides you. [SPEAKER_01] - 23:30 Incorrect. [SPEAKER_01] - 23:31 Colleges implicitly and explicitly through their website and their promotional material tell parents that if you come here, you will have a better life. [SPEAKER_01] - 23:39 Instead, that is the sales pitch. [SPEAKER_01] - 23:41 I guarantee you if someone goes... [SPEAKER_06] - 23:43 Please show me one website. [SPEAKER_06] - 23:44 I've looked all over the place. [SPEAKER_06] - 23:45 I haven't seen a single university that guarantees success or happiness. [SPEAKER_01] - 23:48 Hold on a second. [SPEAKER_01] - 23:48 They promise resources. [SPEAKER_01] - 23:49 I just said implicitly and explicitly, [SPEAKER_01] - 23:52 almost every single college has on their website, [SPEAKER_01] - 23:55 preparing leaders for a better tomorrow, [SPEAKER_01] - 23:57 preparing leaders for an ever-changing world. [SPEAKER_01] - 23:59 And if you go through that, [SPEAKER_01] - 24:00 they have all these deceiving statistics [SPEAKER_01] - 24:02 that if you come to this college for four years, [SPEAKER_01] - 24:05 allow me to finish talking, okay? [SPEAKER_01] - 24:08 Again... [SPEAKER_01] - 24:09 For four years, yep, we're going to keep going. Don't stare. We tried to warn about that. Get them some water too. [SPEAKER_01] - 24:17 Yeah, and you get a signed hat. Don't faint just for the signed hat. [SPEAKER_01] - 24:21 Of course, I acknowledge that some college graduates do better. That window is increasingly closing. [SPEAKER_01] - 24:26 Now, let me ask you another argument that you might not be prepared for. [SPEAKER_01] - 24:30 Almost everybody in this audience is studying something that will be irrelevant because of artificial intelligence. [SPEAKER_01] - 24:35 Do you think at this school, every single course and every degree is really prepared for the AI revolution that is coming next? [SPEAKER_06] - 24:43 Now let me ask you a question. [SPEAKER_01] - 24:45 You have to answer mine. [SPEAKER_06] - 24:46 What are your alternatives? [SPEAKER_01] - 24:48 Oh, I have plenty. [SPEAKER_01] - 24:49 So actually, you know there's 11 million job openings right now that pay you more than $75,000 a year that don't require a college degree. [SPEAKER_01] - 24:55 Right now, 11 million. [SPEAKER_06] - 24:58 Over 95% of U.S. employers still require a college degree from mid to high roles. [SPEAKER_01] - 25:03 And about 40% require just to get in. [SPEAKER_01] - 25:06 Again, you didn't even answer my question. [SPEAKER_01] - 25:08 You're dodging it. [SPEAKER_01] - 25:08 But again, that number is coming down at secondly, 11 million jobs that pay more than $75,000 a year that don't require a college degree. [SPEAKER_01] - 25:17 My alternative also is this. [SPEAKER_01] - 25:19 If you want to get something specialized, of course go to college. [SPEAKER_01] - 25:22 The vast majority of kids that go to college are studying the humanities, soft social sciences, psychology, or communications. [SPEAKER_01] - 25:28 Right. [SPEAKER_01] - 25:28 They're not starting to become engineers or doctors or nurses, [SPEAKER_01] - 25:31 all of which I totally understand. [SPEAKER_01] - 25:32 And what you're basically saying, your argument, [SPEAKER_01] - 25:34 which is true but it's fraudulent, [SPEAKER_01] - 25:36 come here to get a piece of paper [SPEAKER_01] - 25:38 because once you get the piece of paper, [SPEAKER_01] - 25:39 then you'll get a job. [SPEAKER_01] - 25:40 That's not true. [SPEAKER_06] - 25:41 No one is promising that. [SPEAKER_06] - 25:42 College promises access to resources. [SPEAKER_06] - 25:45 Access to preparation, to leadership doesn't mean guarantee. [SPEAKER_01] - 25:48 Again. [SPEAKER_06] - 25:48 It only gives access. [SPEAKER_06] - 25:49 You are the one responsible. [SPEAKER_06] - 25:50 There's plenty of examples. [SPEAKER_06] - 25:51 And people should take accountability for their actions. [SPEAKER_06] - 25:54 If they come to college and be lazy, don't take classes, they are going to achieve nothing. [SPEAKER_01] - 25:58 Do they have job preparedness at this school? [SPEAKER_06] - 26:00 Yes, there is a career guidance center. [SPEAKER_06] - 26:02 I went to it. [SPEAKER_06] - 26:02 Hold on. [SPEAKER_01] - 26:03 Wait, they have a whole center about career preparedness. [SPEAKER_01] - 26:04 So they're selling career preparedness. [SPEAKER_06] - 26:06 Yes, and you've got to go and access it yourself. [SPEAKER_01] - 26:09 Wait, hold on. [SPEAKER_01] - 26:09 So they're selling career. [SPEAKER_01] - 26:10 Time out. [SPEAKER_01] - 26:11 You keep interrupting me, man. [SPEAKER_01] - 26:12 Again, do they teach you to interrupt in college this much? [SPEAKER_01] - 26:15 It's like you ought to let the other person talk, okay? [SPEAKER_01] - 26:17 Let me be honest. [SPEAKER_06] - 26:18 I respect you, but no one interrupts more than you. [SPEAKER_01] - 26:20 At career preparedness centers. [SPEAKER_01] - 26:22 career preparedness centers are implicitly and explicitly telling you you're getting something of value. [SPEAKER_01] - 26:27 And again, half the people in this audience, if they get a job, they'll get a job that doesn't require a college degree. [SPEAKER_01] - 26:33 They'll be burdened with debt. [SPEAKER_01] - 26:34 It's four years of wasted time, talent, and treasure. [SPEAKER_01] - 26:37 And finally, and most importantly, almost every one of your careers will be rendered obsolete by AI in the next 10 years. [SPEAKER_06] - 26:43 Hold on. [SPEAKER_06] - 26:43 Are you denying the data that $1.2 million higher earnings in median for college graduates? [SPEAKER_01] - 26:49 I've already explained that. [SPEAKER_01] - 26:50 That's not the mean. [SPEAKER_06] - 26:51 You were talking about the average. [SPEAKER_06] - 26:52 What about the median? [SPEAKER_01] - 26:53 I've already explained it's not degree-specific. [SPEAKER_01] - 26:56 Also, one other stat. [SPEAKER_01] - 26:57 Do you know that four out of ten kids that go to college do not graduate? [SPEAKER_01] - 27:01 Four out of ten kids that go to college do not graduate? [SPEAKER_01] - 27:03 That's not true. [SPEAKER_01] - 27:04 It is. [SPEAKER_01] - 27:04 59% is the national graduation rate. [SPEAKER_01] - 27:06 Okay, again, I can't have a conversation if you deal in different, you know, factual realities. [SPEAKER_06] - 27:10 I'm just trying to say the same degree. [SPEAKER_06] - 27:12 If you're talking about dropout rates, I totally agree with you. [SPEAKER_06] - 27:14 There is a lot of people dropping out. [SPEAKER_06] - 27:16 That's an issue. [SPEAKER_06] - 27:16 We should find ways to fix that. [SPEAKER_12] - 27:20 Let me get my nerves down a little bit. [SPEAKER_12] - 27:24 Not to be repetitive. [SPEAKER_12] - 27:28 The water? [SPEAKER_12] - 27:28 Oh, I can't. [SPEAKER_12] - 27:29 Let me create. [SPEAKER_12] - 27:34 So I have a similar question, but my question is... [SPEAKER_12] - 27:41 Thing. [SPEAKER_12] - 27:42 It's right here? [SPEAKER_12] - 27:42 Good. [SPEAKER_12] - 27:44 Oh, not touch it. [SPEAKER_12] - 27:45 All right. [SPEAKER_12] - 27:46 So, this is via your Turning Point USA website. [SPEAKER_12] - 27:50 In March 2025, President Donald Trump appointed Charlie Kirk [SPEAKER_12] - 27:53 to United States Air Force Academy Board of Visitors. [SPEAKER_12] - 27:56 advisory panel that oversees various aspects of the academy, including morale, [SPEAKER_12] - 28:01 curriculum, and discipline. This appointment indicates a level of trust and [SPEAKER_12] - 28:04 Kurt's commitment to the military's well-being. So I know that you're very, [SPEAKER_12] - 28:08 you're advocate for military well-being. My question is, you say that college is a [SPEAKER_12] - 28:12 scam, but there's been multiple data that the post 9-11 GI Bill, a lot of people [SPEAKER_12] - 28:17 enlist via the post 9-11 GI Bill [SPEAKER_12] - 28:20 so that they can get free college education. [SPEAKER_12] - 28:22 So my question is, what do you have to say on regarding that tape? [SPEAKER_01] - 28:27 I don't think I should spend too much time on this topic. [SPEAKER_01] - 28:29 I think I thoroughly did the prior. [SPEAKER_12] - 28:32 But I'm speaking more when it comes to military enlistment, when it comes to college. [SPEAKER_01] - 28:37 I mean, for some people, college is a good idea. [SPEAKER_01] - 28:39 For some people, it's a bad idea. [SPEAKER_01] - 28:40 And most people are being scammed when they go to college. [SPEAKER_01] - 28:42 My stance remains. [SPEAKER_12] - 28:44 But as someone who's a supporter of the military, [SPEAKER_12] - 28:46 wouldn't you support college considering it creates more enlistment [SPEAKER_12] - 28:50 via the Syracuse University? [SPEAKER_01] - 28:51 For some people, yeah, I mean... [SPEAKER_12] - 28:52 Via the Syracuse University, it's a high 53% of when they took 8,000 supporters. [SPEAKER_12] - 28:58 They found that 53% wanted to list because of the post-911 GI Bill. [SPEAKER_12] - 29:01 And over 80% of new enlistments were motivated by a post-911 GI Bill. [SPEAKER_01] - 29:08 Okay, what's the question? [SPEAKER_12] - 29:10 My question is, do you support college? [SPEAKER_12] - 29:14 Yeah, my question is, do you support college? [SPEAKER_01] - 29:15 Have I not answered this guy sufficiently? [SPEAKER_01] - 29:17 Yeah, okay. [SPEAKER_01] - 29:18 Okay. [SPEAKER_01] - 29:18 For some people, yes, it is a racket for a lot of people. [SPEAKER_01] - 29:22 Thank you. [SPEAKER_08] - 29:26 How are you doing, Charlie? [SPEAKER_08] - 29:28 First off, I want to start off by saying thank you to everyone in the crowd who has served our country and served our military. [SPEAKER_08] - 29:35 So my belief is that the United States should have a presence back into Afghanistan. [SPEAKER_08] - 29:41 And I know firsthand experience how it is with Afghan refugees during 2021 when President Biden pulled out of Afghanistan. [SPEAKER_08] - 29:49 My unit was the one that had to deal with the Afghan refugees when they came into the United States. [SPEAKER_08] - 29:54 Operation Allies Welcome. [SPEAKER_08] - 29:56 And a lot of the stuff that I've seen right there was not pretty, [SPEAKER_08] - 29:58 and a lot of the refugees that came over, [SPEAKER_08] - 30:01 a lot of them were either known or suspected of terrorism. [SPEAKER_08] - 30:04 Not to mention also, during the Biden administration, [SPEAKER_08] - 30:08 when millions of people came over through the border, [SPEAKER_08] - 30:11 everyone's focus is really on people from Latin America. [SPEAKER_08] - 30:14 But people are forgetting that a lot of the, [SPEAKER_08] - 30:16 that came in were from the Middle East [SPEAKER_08] - 30:18 and were also known and unknown terrorists on the FBI watch list. [SPEAKER_08] - 30:21 So my thing is, we should have more presence in Afghanistan [SPEAKER_08] - 30:24 because there's a lot of al-Qaeda that's still building up their numbers [SPEAKER_08] - 30:29 and a lot of other members that are here in the country [SPEAKER_08] - 30:31 because of what happened there. [SPEAKER_08] - 30:33 And so my question is also, what will President Trump do [SPEAKER_08] - 30:37 and his administration do to prevent the next 9-11? [SPEAKER_08] - 30:40 I've seen a lot of... [SPEAKER_08] - 30:42 Are you familiar with Sean Ryan? [SPEAKER_08] - 30:44 With his interview with Sarah Adams, CIA Targeter, [SPEAKER_08] - 30:47 she stated that the next 9-11 is bound to happen in the tens of thousands. [SPEAKER_08] - 30:50 So what can we do to prevent that happen? [SPEAKER_08] - 30:53 And we do need a more presence in Afghanistan again. [SPEAKER_01] - 30:58 Okay, first of all, thank you for your service. [SPEAKER_01] - 31:00 I mean that. [SPEAKER_01] - 31:01 And thank you. [SPEAKER_01] - 31:02 I have to give you a compliment. [SPEAKER_01] - 31:05 You have an argument I've never heard. [SPEAKER_08] - 31:07 That was the whole point, because I know everyone argues the same thing. [SPEAKER_08] - 31:10 No, no. [SPEAKER_01] - 31:10 It's something I really believe in. [SPEAKER_01] - 31:11 I'm giving you credit. [SPEAKER_01] - 31:12 So to be clear, you would like to see a re-invasion of Afghanistan. [SPEAKER_08] - 31:16 Not a re-invasion, but a more presence, like how we do in a lot of other countries. [SPEAKER_01] - 31:19 Re-invasion, right. [SPEAKER_01] - 31:20 Got it. [SPEAKER_01] - 31:20 Okay. [SPEAKER_01] - 31:21 That's fine. [SPEAKER_01] - 31:21 So while I acknowledge all the things you say, let's first make sure we interpret what happened on 9-11 correctly. [SPEAKER_01] - 31:31 9-11 was not a we did not occupy enough countries problem. [SPEAKER_01] - 31:36 9-11 was an intelligence and most importantly an immigration problem. [SPEAKER_01] - 31:41 We allowed people into our country that were not American to come into our country. [SPEAKER_01] - 31:46 I'm sorry? [SPEAKER_08] - 31:48 Inside job. [SPEAKER_01] - 31:49 Yeah, well, we can have a question on that if you'd like. [SPEAKER_01] - 31:52 But we're not on that one now. [SPEAKER_01] - 31:53 But I would ask the question... [SPEAKER_01] - 31:56 What do you believe that President Trump was elected on more foreign wars and more conflicts or less? [SPEAKER_08] - 32:03 Less foreign wars, but okay. [SPEAKER_08] - 32:06 Do you believe it was a great idea to pull out of Afghanistan? [SPEAKER_01] - 32:09 Not the way Biden did it, but yes, I actually do agree with it. [SPEAKER_01] - 32:12 I think the way he did it was disgraceful. [SPEAKER_08] - 32:14 Yes, 13 service members died. [SPEAKER_01] - 32:16 No, of course. [SPEAKER_01] - 32:17 I met some of the Abbey Gate family. [SPEAKER_01] - 32:19 It's terrible. [SPEAKER_01] - 32:19 It's like saying you've got to get rid of your appendix and you take out a switch blade and just start doing it. [SPEAKER_01] - 32:25 I mean, it was the most terrible gruesome way to do it. [SPEAKER_01] - 32:27 We should have protected Bagram Air Base. [SPEAKER_01] - 32:29 We never should have left $100 billion of military equipment in Afghanistan. [SPEAKER_01] - 32:35 But just to talk more morally clear... [SPEAKER_01] - 32:39 We need to protect our own borders a lot more than the borders of a foreign country. [SPEAKER_01] - 32:43 Correct. [SPEAKER_08] - 32:44 So I know everyone is really distracted with the war in Israel, the war in Ukraine, Pakistan [SPEAKER_08] - 32:52 and India are heating up now. [SPEAKER_08] - 32:55 So a lot of the focus is not really on what's going on in the Middle East and what is going to happen. [SPEAKER_01] - 33:00 Not saying, you know, we're going to get it. [SPEAKER_01] - 33:02 The best way to prevent it is don't let them into our country. [SPEAKER_01] - 33:04 It's an immigration problem. [SPEAKER_08] - 33:06 Correct. [SPEAKER_08] - 33:07 And President Trump has closed our borders, and they're not coming in as a Trump. [SPEAKER_08] - 33:10 But the damage is already done. [SPEAKER_08] - 33:12 There's a lot of them that are already here. [SPEAKER_01] - 33:13 And we need to find them, and we need to root them out and kick them out of our country. [SPEAKER_01] - 33:17 But that doesn't mean we should send more of our – [SPEAKER_01] - 33:20 I, for one, I don't want to see people like you and friends like you have to go into another no-win war in a foreign country where you might have to lose your life, where the objective is very unclear. [SPEAKER_01] - 33:33 I would rather have you be able to live a prosperous life here in this country, close our borders, and have very strict immigration. [SPEAKER_08] - 33:39 And I'm grateful for my time and my service. [SPEAKER_08] - 33:41 Thank you for that. [SPEAKER_08] - 33:42 I'm using my GI Bill right now. [SPEAKER_08] - 33:43 It's doing great. [SPEAKER_01] - 33:44 Some people should go to college, and I'm glad your benefit. [SPEAKER_08] - 33:46 A lot of my NCOs, while I was still in, when we did pull out Afghanistan, did argue that this should have never happened. [SPEAKER_08] - 33:53 And as NCOs who were there fighting in Afghanistan, so they do feel like – [SPEAKER_08] - 33:58 It's also kind of a question. [SPEAKER_08] - 34:00 What about now? [SPEAKER_08] - 34:02 We went to Afghanistan. [SPEAKER_08] - 34:04 A lot of soldiers died. [SPEAKER_08] - 34:05 A lot of our service members died. [SPEAKER_08] - 34:07 What are we taking out of that? [SPEAKER_01] - 34:09 That was one of the most disappointing and disgusting days in American history with the [SPEAKER_01] - 34:13 withdrawal of Afghanistan and those 13 Marines that unnecessarily died. [SPEAKER_01] - 34:17 Who Joe Biden, to this day, never called those Marines for their sacrifice at the Abbey [SPEAKER_01] - 34:22 Gate. [SPEAKER_01] - 34:22 Thank you for your service, sir. [SPEAKER_01] - 34:23 Would you like a mini Jesus? [SPEAKER_01] - 34:25 I'm sorry? [SPEAKER_01] - 34:25 A mini Jesus. [SPEAKER_01] - 34:26 Thank you very much. [SPEAKER_01] - 34:27 Yes. [SPEAKER_01] - 34:27 God bless you, man. [SPEAKER_01] - 34:28 Thank you. [SPEAKER_01] - 34:28 Yes. [SPEAKER_01] - 34:29 Everyone should give your life to Jesus as your Lord and Savior, right? [SPEAKER_01] - 34:39 Thank you, Charlie. [SPEAKER_01] - 34:39 We'll go on. [SPEAKER_01] - 34:40 Thank you, Jesus. [SPEAKER_05] - 34:43 Hello. [SPEAKER_05] - 34:45 I just want to say first, thank you for debating and coming to UCR. [SPEAKER_05] - 34:49 And my main question is, all of us, I don't want to speak for everybody, but most of us here believe in the American Dream. [SPEAKER_05] - 34:56 And one of the core aspects of the American Dream is a meritocracy. [SPEAKER_05] - 35:00 Am I right in saying that? [SPEAKER_05] - 35:02 And so one of the true fundamental points of a true meritocracy is equal opportunity for people. [SPEAKER_01] - 35:10 Is there aspects of... [SPEAKER_01] - 35:11 No, it's not. [SPEAKER_05] - 35:12 Why do you say that? [SPEAKER_01] - 35:14 Well, because that will never be achieved. [SPEAKER_01] - 35:15 It could be a goal, but it will never be reality. [SPEAKER_01] - 35:17 For example, do you and I have equal opportunity to play in the NBA as LeBron James? [SPEAKER_01] - 35:23 Yes. [SPEAKER_01] - 35:23 No. [SPEAKER_01] - 35:24 Okay, so that's what I'm saying. [SPEAKER_01] - 35:25 It's never going to happen. [SPEAKER_05] - 35:27 I'm talking about some people who have the abilities. [SPEAKER_05] - 35:29 Like for example, I'm going to use the SAT as an example. [SPEAKER_05] - 35:33 Like let's say two people took the SAT at the same, [SPEAKER_05] - 35:36 a practice SAT at the same day. [SPEAKER_05] - 35:38 One person scored 100 points higher than the other person. [SPEAKER_05] - 35:41 But that same person who scored 100 points higher doesn't have the same resources to maintain studying [SPEAKER_05] - 35:46 while the other person has the resources. [SPEAKER_05] - 35:48 Is there any way you propose that both people have the equal opportunity? [SPEAKER_05] - 35:52 Because in theoretical, a meritocracy says the person with 100 points higher at the start [SPEAKER_05] - 35:56 will eventually be at a higher position. [SPEAKER_01] - 35:59 The only solution would be an IQ test, and the left hates IQ tests. [SPEAKER_01] - 36:03 IQ tests are a great way to bring back true meritocracy [SPEAKER_01] - 36:06 because IQ tests are study and preparation agnostic. [SPEAKER_01] - 36:10 Are you familiar with an intelligent quotient test? [SPEAKER_05] - 36:12 Yeah, yeah. [SPEAKER_01] - 36:14 But they don't like it because the left says they're racist [SPEAKER_01] - 36:16 because, I mean, you can read Charles Murray's bell curve [SPEAKER_01] - 36:19 why they don't like it. [SPEAKER_05] - 36:20 Yeah, and... [SPEAKER_01] - 36:21 But would you agree we should bring back IQ tests? [SPEAKER_05] - 36:23 I believe in the IQ tests have validity, [SPEAKER_05] - 36:26 but I don't think it should be the defining factor. [SPEAKER_01] - 36:29 Okay, I mean, then you don't believe in a meritocracy. [SPEAKER_01] - 36:30 Okay. [SPEAKER_05] - 36:31 But the thing is an IQ test has specific types of intelligence which is being tested. [SPEAKER_05] - 36:36 People have different types of intelligence which are more suited for different professions. [SPEAKER_01] - 36:40 Yes, I agree. [SPEAKER_01] - 36:41 And certain companies should, again, companies got away from IQ tests like 20 years ago because they were all called racist. [SPEAKER_01] - 36:46 But fair enough. [SPEAKER_01] - 36:47 I think IQ tests are a great way to cut through preparation. [SPEAKER_01] - 36:50 And I will even acknowledge that if you could pay for a really good tutor and get it higher, [SPEAKER_01] - 36:54 we took the ACT where I'm from, the Midwest. [SPEAKER_01] - 36:56 We didn't take the SAT. [SPEAKER_01] - 36:57 But you could get a higher ACT score with proper preparation. [SPEAKER_01] - 37:00 And if you spend money on it, I totally acknowledge that. [SPEAKER_05] - 37:02 Yeah, so the thing is I've always been brought up with the idea that a meritocracy will bring me my American dream. [SPEAKER_05] - 37:11 And outside of an IQ test, if the left is so against it, would you propose or would you suggest any other ways that we can theoretically do it without still being true to the meritocracy that brings the American dream what it is? [SPEAKER_01] - 37:23 I can't think of one. I'm looking for it, but I mean, again, I think... [SPEAKER_01] - 37:25 An IQ test is a great colorblind, preparation agnostic way to find out people that have the [SPEAKER_01] - 37:31 acumen to be able to do the task. [SPEAKER_05] - 37:34 And when we go to the IQ test, would you suggest that there's different types of IQ tests [SPEAKER_05] - 37:37 for different... [SPEAKER_01] - 37:39 Sure. [SPEAKER_01] - 37:39 I mean, of course there's variety, but the generally agreed-upon IQ test that was developed [SPEAKER_01] - 37:44 in the late 80s is pretty good. [SPEAKER_05] - 37:45 Okay. [SPEAKER_01] - 37:46 That was my question. [SPEAKER_01] - 37:46 Great question. [SPEAKER_01] - 37:47 Thank you very much. [SPEAKER_01] - 37:48 Yes. [SPEAKER_01] - 37:48 Thank you. [SPEAKER_01] - 37:50 Yeah, I'll sign it. [SPEAKER_01] - 37:58 Hello. [SPEAKER_01] - 37:58 Hello. [SPEAKER_01] - 37:59 Great to see you, Charlie. [SPEAKER_01] - 38:01 So maybe I really am just Uncle Tom's favorite nephew, but I do have a quick question. [SPEAKER_01] - 38:06 What is so wrong with mass incarceration if the only way to be incarcerated is to commit a crime? [SPEAKER_01] - 38:13 There's nothing wrong with mass incarceration. [SPEAKER_01] - 38:15 In fact, we need more prisoners in this country, not less prisoners, and we let prisoners out of jail way too quickly in America. [SPEAKER_01] - 38:21 But isn't it racist to have mass incarceration? [SPEAKER_01] - 38:24 You know what? I don't think it's racist because I've been black for 28 years and I've yet to go to jail or prison. [SPEAKER_01] - 38:29 Right. [SPEAKER_01] - 38:32 But come on, the justice system is rigged against black people. [SPEAKER_01] - 38:35 You're a white supremacist. [SPEAKER_01] - 38:37 You know what? [SPEAKER_01] - 38:37 I still don't know how white supremacy would benefit me, but I love it here in America. [SPEAKER_01] - 38:41 Amen. [SPEAKER_01] - 38:42 God bless you, man. [SPEAKER_01] - 38:43 Thank you. [SPEAKER_02] - 38:43 Hello. [SPEAKER_02] - 38:44 So I want to talk about the debate of abortion. [SPEAKER_02] - 38:48 So I know that it's something very controversial. [SPEAKER_02] - 38:52 Some people are pro-choice. [SPEAKER_02] - 38:54 Some people are pro-life. [SPEAKER_02] - 38:56 But... [SPEAKER_02] - 38:55 Before I start, I want to make sure that I understand your opinion fully so I don't take what I've heard online. [SPEAKER_02] - 39:02 What is your stance on abortion? [SPEAKER_01] - 39:04 Life begins at conception. [SPEAKER_02] - 39:05 Okay. So where do you... [SPEAKER_02] - 39:07 So conception, so is that when sperm enters the egg? Is that during... [SPEAKER_01] - 39:11 When new DNA is formed. [SPEAKER_02] - 39:13 Okay, when new DNA is formed. [SPEAKER_02] - 39:15 So the egg by itself you don't think is anything. [SPEAKER_02] - 39:17 Sorry? [SPEAKER_02] - 39:18 The egg of a woman by itself. [SPEAKER_02] - 39:20 Do you think it's anything? [SPEAKER_01] - 39:20 Well, it's something, but it's not a life, correct. [SPEAKER_02] - 39:22 Okay. [SPEAKER_02] - 39:22 That's okay. [SPEAKER_02] - 39:23 So my question is, when you talk about abortion and why you support it, [SPEAKER_02] - 39:29 Why you don't support it, sorry. [SPEAKER_02] - 39:32 Why you don't support it. [SPEAKER_02] - 39:33 What do you use as your evidence? [SPEAKER_02] - 39:34 You use scientific evidence. [SPEAKER_02] - 39:35 Do you talk about the Bible? [SPEAKER_02] - 39:37 Do you use both? [SPEAKER_01] - 39:38 Mainly scientific and self-evident reason. [SPEAKER_02] - 39:41 Okay. [SPEAKER_02] - 39:41 So are you someone who's a follower of the Bible? [SPEAKER_01] - 39:44 I am, but that's not relevant to this discussion. [SPEAKER_01] - 39:46 But we could talk about it if you'd like. [SPEAKER_02] - 39:48 I find it relevant because when I'm going to talk about abortion, [SPEAKER_02] - 39:51 there's quotes in the Bible that I think support pro-choice, in my opinion. [SPEAKER_02] - 39:59 Bible Exodus. Exodus 21, 22 through 25, when men strive together and hit a pregnant woman so that her child come out, so miscarriage, but there is no harm to the woman. The one who hit her shall surely be fined, as the woman's husband shall impose on him, and he shall pay as the judgements determined. [SPEAKER_02] - 40:22 But if there is harm to the woman, you shall pay life for life, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe. [SPEAKER_02] - 40:30 So I know that that can be interpreted in different ways. [SPEAKER_02] - 40:32 The Bible is interpreted in many ways. [SPEAKER_02] - 40:34 There's different types, different interpretations. [SPEAKER_02] - 40:37 But this says if a person causes a miscarriage through a woman, that they will pay... [SPEAKER_02] - 40:44 for the abortion. So they will pay, another one will punish them. [SPEAKER_01] - 40:49 That is not what this law says, but let me just ask, are you a Christian? [SPEAKER_01] - 40:52 Yes. [SPEAKER_01] - 40:53 Okay, then continue. [SPEAKER_01] - 40:54 So... [SPEAKER_01] - 40:56 So it says... Do you believe in the inerrant word of God? [SPEAKER_01] - 40:59 Yes. Okay, good. [SPEAKER_02] - 41:00 Yes. So it says that as the woman's husband shall impose on him and he shall pay as the judge is determined. [SPEAKER_02] - 41:07 So the judge is determined and it's talking about the husband, so therefore it's talking about a person, not God himself, not his judgment. [SPEAKER_02] - 41:14 So it's saying if someone has an abortion, we have the right to choose what to do to them, right? [SPEAKER_01] - 41:19 Didn't you say it was a miscarriage, not an abortion? [SPEAKER_02] - 41:21 It says when man strive together and hit a pregnant woman... [SPEAKER_02] - 41:25 So that's causing her to lose the baby. [SPEAKER_02] - 41:28 That's an outside cause. [SPEAKER_02] - 41:30 Outside cause. [SPEAKER_02] - 41:31 Therefore, it could mean abortion. [SPEAKER_02] - 41:32 Because some people find that [SPEAKER_02] - 41:34 aggressive abortion is through [SPEAKER_02] - 41:36 violence, such as hitting, [SPEAKER_02] - 41:38 because not everyone has access to medical [SPEAKER_01] - 41:40 abortion. Was it the intent for them to kill the baby? [SPEAKER_02] - 41:42 It's unclareified, so that I [SPEAKER_02] - 41:44 cannot tell you. It's unclareified. [SPEAKER_02] - 41:48 However, what I will say [SPEAKER_02] - 41:50 is that it says that [SPEAKER_02] - 41:51 the judges determine, the husband [SPEAKER_02] - 41:54 determines. So, [SPEAKER_02] - 41:55 God's not making the choice for us what to do with a person who does that to someone's child, [SPEAKER_02] - 42:01 does that to their own child. [SPEAKER_02] - 42:03 But it does say that if the woman is harmed, her herself, not the child, [SPEAKER_02] - 42:08 then they are liable by God, their life for her life, their foot for her foot. [SPEAKER_02] - 42:13 So what I'm saying is if somebody needs an abortion for health care, [SPEAKER_02] - 42:17 let's say a woman's baby's not going to make it, [SPEAKER_02] - 42:20 and if the baby stays in her womb, she will die. [SPEAKER_02] - 42:23 And they refuse her an abortion. [SPEAKER_02] - 42:25 They refuse her that health care and she dies. [SPEAKER_02] - 42:27 Should the doctor be liable under God? [SPEAKER_01] - 42:31 First of all, those instances don't happen. [SPEAKER_01] - 42:33 So let's just be clear. [SPEAKER_01] - 42:34 No, see, you guys are so propagandized by this. [SPEAKER_01] - 42:36 That only happens in a very rare case of the breaking of the uterine wall. [SPEAKER_02] - 42:39 So it does happen. [SPEAKER_01] - 42:40 But no, but where the baby is already dead. [SPEAKER_01] - 42:42 And that's the point is that the baby is already dead. [SPEAKER_01] - 42:44 That's a removal of a carcass of a baby. [SPEAKER_02] - 42:47 That's also still medically. [SPEAKER_01] - 42:47 No, it's not. That's incorrect. No, it's not. No, it's not. A removal of a carcass of a baby is not an abortion. Those are two technically different things. It is not a DNA. It is not. A DNA is something completely different. But then if you want to talk about Scripture, do you think we are bound to all 613 Levitical laws? [SPEAKER_02] - 43:08 Yes, if you're a follower of the Bible, you cannot pick and choose what you follow. [SPEAKER_01] - 43:12 Oh, so do you eat kosher? [SPEAKER_01] - 43:13 You cannot pick and choose. [SPEAKER_01] - 43:15 No. [SPEAKER_01] - 43:16 Well, I thought you were bound to all 613 laws. [SPEAKER_02] - 43:19 I'm not perfect. [SPEAKER_02] - 43:20 I'm a sinner. [SPEAKER_02] - 43:20 Everyone here is a sinner. [SPEAKER_01] - 43:21 But are we bound to it? [SPEAKER_01] - 43:22 Do you think Christians should eat kosher? [SPEAKER_02] - 43:24 If you choose, [SPEAKER_02] - 43:25 To follow the Bible, you cannot pick and choose what you follow. [SPEAKER_01] - 43:28 Of course, but we do believe in a new covenant, an old covenant. [SPEAKER_01] - 43:31 So there's three types of Old Testament laws, right? [SPEAKER_01] - 43:34 There's ceremonial, there's civil and moral. [SPEAKER_01] - 43:36 So ceremonial laws we do not honor. [SPEAKER_01] - 43:38 Civil we consider, moral we absolutely do. [SPEAKER_02] - 43:40 Why do humans decide what to follow when God is the one and it's God's word? [SPEAKER_01] - 43:44 It's not us, it's not humans. [SPEAKER_01] - 43:46 So Paul actually authored in the book of Colossians. [SPEAKER_01] - 43:48 That's a human. [SPEAKER_02] - 43:49 Yeah. [SPEAKER_01] - 43:50 Right, inspired by the Holy Spirit which wrote the Bible. [SPEAKER_01] - 43:53 The ordinances of Moses are nailed to the cross. [SPEAKER_01] - 43:57 Secondly, Christ our Lord repeated nine out of ten of the ten commandments. [SPEAKER_01] - 44:02 And he said all the laws of the prophet hang upon the two teachings, [SPEAKER_01] - 44:05 the Leviticus 19 and Deuteronomy 6. [SPEAKER_01] - 44:08 But now I equally have to challenge you with Scripture. [SPEAKER_01] - 44:10 In Luke 1, when Elizabeth came in contact with Mary and both were babies, [SPEAKER_01] - 44:18 What did it say that John the Baptist did? [SPEAKER_02] - 44:22 I cannot tell you that. [SPEAKER_01] - 44:23 He leapt. [SPEAKER_02] - 44:24 Okay. [SPEAKER_01] - 44:26 Do non-babies leap? [SPEAKER_02] - 44:30 I don't understand the question. [SPEAKER_02] - 44:32 I'm going to be honest. [SPEAKER_01] - 44:33 Isn't it a baby then worthy of protection if they're leaping? [SPEAKER_02] - 44:38 I suppose? [SPEAKER_01] - 44:39 Yes. [SPEAKER_01] - 44:40 And it was the Greek word brephos, which literally means baby, intentionally used throughout. [SPEAKER_01] - 44:44 Hold on. [SPEAKER_01] - 44:45 In Jeremiah, it says, I knew you before you were in the womb. [SPEAKER_01] - 44:48 In Psalm, I think 139, it's one of the most intricate verses about the detail of our [SPEAKER_01] - 44:53 formation process as human beings. [SPEAKER_01] - 44:54 And finally, because of science, because of biology, [SPEAKER_01] - 44:59 we know that human life begins at that spark of new DNA, [SPEAKER_01] - 45:02 and God says do not murder, and it's incumbent on Christians to therefore protect that life. [SPEAKER_02] - 45:06 Okay. So my biggest question is, I'm not saying that all abortion is valid. [SPEAKER_02] - 45:12 I feel like that's up for everyone to decide, but in the most, even if it's very small percentage, [SPEAKER_02] - 45:18 in the very small percentage that a baby is alive, but it has to be aborted for the sake of the mother, [SPEAKER_02] - 45:23 What do you think is the right thing? [SPEAKER_01] - 45:26 C-section. What is a C-section? [SPEAKER_02] - 45:27 A C-section is when you cut a mother's stomach open. [SPEAKER_01] - 45:30 Why don't they do that instead of the abortion? [SPEAKER_02] - 45:32 Because it could be equally as dangerous. [SPEAKER_01] - 45:34 Wrong. It's much safer than an abortion and quicker. [SPEAKER_02] - 45:36 Do you have evidence? [SPEAKER_01] - 45:37 I mean, yes, it's self-evident. [SPEAKER_02] - 45:39 Can you tell me? [SPEAKER_01] - 45:40 I mean, again, there's plenty of people. [SPEAKER_01] - 45:43 Do you have to find the evidence? [SPEAKER_01] - 45:44 Plenty of people that are in medicine can tell you, but like, [SPEAKER_01] - 45:47 to be very clear, think about it. [SPEAKER_01] - 45:49 Every hospital is equipped to do C-sections. [SPEAKER_01] - 45:51 You have to go to a specific place for an abortion, and a C-section. [SPEAKER_01] - 45:55 One third out of everyone in this audience was born by C-section. [SPEAKER_01] - 45:58 C-sections save lives. [SPEAKER_01] - 46:00 They do not terminate lives. [SPEAKER_01] - 46:01 And so when they say, we must abort the baby, thanks to modern technology, that's actually a false choice. [SPEAKER_01] - 46:07 You could take the baby out of the environment and try to save its life as a cesarean section. [SPEAKER_02] - 46:11 What if when the C-section happens, the baby's not able to survive on its own no matter what? [SPEAKER_01] - 46:15 Okay, well then that's a separate circumstance. [SPEAKER_01] - 46:17 It's like saying if the baby has a heart attack after the C-section. [SPEAKER_01] - 46:20 That's not a reason not to terminate it. [SPEAKER_02] - 46:23 What do you mean? [SPEAKER_01] - 46:24 You have to give everybody a chance at life. [SPEAKER_01] - 46:28 You don't kill the baby in the womb just because you think that it's going to, well, it could hurt the mother. [SPEAKER_01] - 46:33 You take it out of that environment. [SPEAKER_02] - 46:34 Okay. [SPEAKER_02] - 46:35 But what I'm saying is if they take the baby out and they know it's not going to survive regardless. [SPEAKER_01] - 46:41 How do they know that post-22 weeks? [SPEAKER_01] - 46:42 You don't know that. [SPEAKER_01] - 46:44 There's miracles that happen every day in the neonatal intensive care unit. [SPEAKER_01] - 46:50 There's miracles that happen every day in NICUs. [SPEAKER_02] - 46:52 And I agree. [SPEAKER_02] - 46:53 There's definitely, they don't know 100% for sure, but there's definitely probability through science, through biology, that they know, hey, this is more likely going to happen. [SPEAKER_01] - 47:01 We don't do morals on probability. [SPEAKER_02] - 47:05 I'm not saying it's morality. [SPEAKER_02] - 47:06 I'm saying probability of a baby is going to survive or not. [SPEAKER_01] - 47:09 It doesn't matter. [SPEAKER_01] - 47:09 You don't terminate a life based on a probability of survival. [SPEAKER_01] - 47:13 Oh, you do? [SPEAKER_01] - 47:14 No. [SPEAKER_01] - 47:15 Interesting. You guys murder people based on probability of survival? [SPEAKER_01] - 47:21 Interesting. So somebody on a ventilator should just be murdered? I mean, it's such [SPEAKER_01] - 47:25 incredible morality. Would you keep someone [SPEAKER_02] - 47:27 on a ventilator for the entirety of everything else then? [SPEAKER_01] - 47:30 It depends. There's two different things. There's no more and not yet. Once you reach the level [SPEAKER_01] - 47:34 of no more human interventions can improve this person's life or bring them back to a full [SPEAKER_01] - 47:39 life, that is a separate moral decision than not yet. When a human being is at not yet, [SPEAKER_01] - 47:44 which they are in the womb, you must do everything you can to make sure they get life. [SPEAKER_01] - 47:47 When a human being is at no more, it's a completely separate moral dimension and decision to make. [SPEAKER_01] - 47:52 No more and not yet are the ways to look at pro-life decisions. [SPEAKER_02] - 47:55 That makes sense? [SPEAKER_02] - 47:55 Yes, that makes sense. [SPEAKER_02] - 47:56 Well, thank you for debating with me. [SPEAKER_02] - 47:58 Thank you very much. [SPEAKER_02] - 47:58 We don't agree to disagree. [SPEAKER_01] - 47:59 Okay, thank you. [SPEAKER_01] - 48:00 Next question. [SPEAKER_01] - 48:01 Thank you. [SPEAKER_01] - 48:03 Okay, I didn't think I'd make it here. [SPEAKER_01] - 48:04 But, okay, politics are meant to separate us. [SPEAKER_01] - 48:10 What do you think of that? [SPEAKER_01] - 48:11 Wrong. [SPEAKER_01] - 48:12 Why? [SPEAKER_01] - 48:13 Politics is the highest form of community because it blends sociality, sociability, and morality. [SPEAKER_01] - 48:18 We are political beings, naturally. [SPEAKER_01] - 48:20 Politics actually is meant to bring us together. [SPEAKER_01] - 48:21 Look how everyone is brought together here in defense of the country and liberty and freedom. [SPEAKER_01] - 48:27 This is actually a unifying event, not a dividing one. [SPEAKER_01] - 48:29 Okay, but we've survived for millions of years without politics. [SPEAKER_01] - 48:34 Or thousands, I'm sorry. [SPEAKER_01] - 48:35 Wrong. [SPEAKER_01] - 48:36 Every civilization, every custom has always had some political structure. [SPEAKER_01] - 48:39 They've had kings, they've had pharaohs, they've had czars, [SPEAKER_01] - 48:41 they've had some sort of governing structure is political by nature. [SPEAKER_01] - 48:44 But those weren't debating, you know, you didn't debate to have those kings. [SPEAKER_01] - 48:47 Of course you did. [SPEAKER_01] - 48:48 You had debates all the time. [SPEAKER_01] - 48:50 Even in Jesus' time, the Sadducees debated the Pharisees and debated the Romans, [SPEAKER_01] - 48:53 and they debated the Samaritans, and they debated the Judeans. [SPEAKER_01] - 48:56 We are political beings by nature. [SPEAKER_01] - 48:58 Man is a political animal. [SPEAKER_01] - 49:00 Okay, but why hasn't there been some sort of middle ground in between the two? [SPEAKER_01] - 49:04 Oh, I mean, I'm sorry, what? [SPEAKER_01] - 49:06 Why hasn't there been a sort of middle ground in between the two? [SPEAKER_01] - 49:09 I mean, I don't know. [SPEAKER_01] - 49:10 Ask the left that. [SPEAKER_01] - 49:11 I mean, we found middle ground with some of these questioners. [SPEAKER_01] - 49:13 We brought a liberal up, and he was pro-trans, [SPEAKER_01] - 49:15 and we found middle ground on very important issues. [SPEAKER_01] - 49:17 No men and female sports and no castration of kids. [SPEAKER_01] - 49:20 We did find middle ground here. [SPEAKER_01] - 49:23 All right, thank you. [SPEAKER_01] - 49:23 Thank you very much. [SPEAKER_01] - 49:34 were you rolling your eyes because they were saying usa yeah actually oh come on you're destroying [SPEAKER_07] - 49:39 america you are actively contributing more to the final american empire than every communist in [SPEAKER_07] - 49:45 history let let let literally every every left wing anti-war anti-american i'm giving you i'm giving [SPEAKER_01] - 49:53 you space allow allow him or her i'm sorry i don't mean to misgender you to talk so wow wow [SPEAKER_07] - 49:59 So, first of all, I just want to congratulate you on like, I don't know, like the organizational strategy. [SPEAKER_07] - 50:04 I mean, just like figuring out, like realizing like that none of the fuck, you would not get like a tenth of this crowd if you actually just talked to students. [SPEAKER_07] - 50:13 So you had to bust in people from the first retirement homes. [SPEAKER_07] - 50:15 I think that's, I think that's really smart, actually. [SPEAKER_07] - 50:18 It's a sign of great intelligence that you decided to do that. [SPEAKER_01] - 50:20 No one was bust in, my friend. [SPEAKER_07] - 50:23 Yeah, then what? [SPEAKER_07] - 50:24 Wow. So would you explain all the people with silver hair and like wrinkled skin? [SPEAKER_01] - 50:30 Yes, they have cars and they drove to see us. [SPEAKER_07] - 50:33 Yeah, wow. And these are UCR students. [SPEAKER_01] - 50:36 You do know that boomers drive too. [SPEAKER_07] - 50:39 Yeah, I do. Now, I just want to congratulate, again, I feel it's really admirable that you're just getting like people who like... [SPEAKER_01] - 50:45 By the way, can you find one older person right here? I'm starting to look at it. Can you like... [SPEAKER_01] - 50:49 Okay, yeah, wow, you found one. [SPEAKER_01] - 50:51 And by the way... [SPEAKER_07] - 50:52 There's an entire freaking crowd over there, man. [SPEAKER_01] - 50:53 By the way, what is the criticism? [SPEAKER_01] - 50:55 We represent Americans of all ages from young to old. [SPEAKER_01] - 50:58 Why is that a bad campus, dude? [SPEAKER_07] - 51:01 I've seen your tactics before, man. [SPEAKER_07] - 51:02 I know for my school district... [SPEAKER_07] - 51:05 I've been to school district protests before. [SPEAKER_07] - 51:07 The people you send in to manufacture the belief [SPEAKER_07] - 51:10 that you're actually popular with the American citizenship, [SPEAKER_07] - 51:13 you import people from... [SPEAKER_01] - 51:14 all over man none of these people are from riverside no one is imported they all came by them find a [SPEAKER_01] - 51:19 single person you're you know what this is this is the left refusing to believe we're very popular [SPEAKER_01] - 51:25 on a liberal college campus in california he just he can't believe he's like he must be busing [SPEAKER_01] - 51:31 people in he must be there's no way that people actually want to make america great they literally [SPEAKER_01] - 51:36 don't cope harder my friend cope harder because we're very very popular no you're not what's your [SPEAKER_01] - 51:41 question [SPEAKER_07] - 51:41 So I just, I don't really have a question. [SPEAKER_07] - 51:43 I just want to say nothing you said so far has been even remotely accurate. [SPEAKER_07] - 51:48 Not a single argument you made from the fucking sentencing. [SPEAKER_07] - 51:51 The one that Trump illegally stopped to miscount California's population in order to deny us seats in the legislature. [SPEAKER_07] - 51:59 That's bullshit. [SPEAKER_07] - 52:00 I don't know, the environmental shit. [SPEAKER_07] - 52:03 Like, oh yeah, we should build more homes in Joshua Tree. [SPEAKER_07] - 52:05 We should bulldoze endangered Joshua Trees and get rid of wildlife reservations so we can build more single families of urban homes. [SPEAKER_07] - 52:14 That'll solve the housing crisis, yeah? [SPEAKER_07] - 52:16 Because it's definitely freeing nature reserves that are holding up all of this usable land, which is right next to major cities. [SPEAKER_01] - 52:24 Can you not swear every other word? [SPEAKER_01] - 52:26 Can you have a little bit more respect? [SPEAKER_07] - 52:27 I don't know, maybe I can have a bit more respect if you actually fucking debated instead of just bringing on people who come here to serve. [SPEAKER_01] - 52:35 Like, I don't know. [SPEAKER_01] - 52:36 Hold on. [SPEAKER_01] - 52:36 I mean, would you like to debate or do you want to swear every other word? [SPEAKER_07] - 52:40 I mean, I don't know, man. [SPEAKER_07] - 52:41 Like, would you like to debate or would you like to just, like, get college students who agree with you on... [SPEAKER_07] - 52:48 in front of you just to like, I don't know. [SPEAKER_07] - 52:51 I mean, obviously there are better places [SPEAKER_07] - 52:53 you could be doing this, but I'm not going to go into that. [SPEAKER_07] - 52:55 What I am going to tackle, for instance, is, I don't know, [SPEAKER_07] - 52:57 your abortion thing. [SPEAKER_07] - 52:58 You mentioned you think abortion is a scientific thing, [SPEAKER_07] - 53:00 like what life starts at conception. [SPEAKER_07] - 53:02 It does, scientifically proven. [SPEAKER_01] - 53:04 How? [SPEAKER_01] - 53:04 When does your DNA start? [SPEAKER_07] - 53:06 Fucking DNA start? [SPEAKER_07] - 53:07 Man, do you DNA... [SPEAKER_01] - 53:09 When? [SPEAKER_01] - 53:10 When is your DNA formed? [SPEAKER_07] - 53:12 Are you seriously arguing that the seat of the soul is fucking DNA? [SPEAKER_01] - 53:16 No, it's the beginning of the process of human development. [SPEAKER_01] - 53:18 When did your development begin as a human? [SPEAKER_07] - 53:20 I mean, yes, I'm a fucking bio student. [SPEAKER_07] - 53:22 I am aware of the process of gamete fusion, man. [SPEAKER_07] - 53:26 I know what a zygote is. [SPEAKER_07] - 53:27 That's not a moral qualifier. [SPEAKER_01] - 53:31 That's what... [SPEAKER_01] - 53:31 Wait, hold on. [SPEAKER_01] - 53:32 So it's a human, and human development begins at conception. [SPEAKER_01] - 53:36 Therefore, human life begins at conception. [SPEAKER_07] - 53:38 Human life begins... [SPEAKER_07] - 53:39 Oh, my God. [SPEAKER_07] - 53:40 So... [SPEAKER_07] - 53:40 I'm sorry... [SPEAKER_07] - 53:41 What do you think the actual mortal significance of a human is compared to any other kind of animal? [SPEAKER_01] - 53:46 Well, first of all, we are the only beings that can blush, can show love, show empathy, compassion, and have a soul. [SPEAKER_01] - 53:52 A dog can feel pleasure and pain. [SPEAKER_01] - 53:54 We can do good from evil and right from wrong and just from unjust. [SPEAKER_01] - 53:57 We in human beings are above the animals and below the angels, made in the image of our Creator God Almighty. [SPEAKER_01] - 54:02 Okay, one, that's not... [SPEAKER_07] - 54:04 Okay, one, there's like... [SPEAKER_07] - 54:05 Okay, one, that's founded in nothing, like literally nothing. [SPEAKER_07] - 54:08 There is no soul. [SPEAKER_07] - 54:09 But two, I mean, okay, was, zygotes are not capable of any of that, like literally none of that. [SPEAKER_01] - 54:14 Well, but why not? [SPEAKER_07] - 54:16 I'm sorry, do you seriously expect... [SPEAKER_01] - 54:18 They have a soul. [SPEAKER_01] - 54:19 Do you seriously expect me to be a bit of a fucking fetus? [SPEAKER_01] - 54:21 You over on the soul. That's still a process of human development. [SPEAKER_01] - 54:24 There's a process where a zygote then becomes what you would call a fetus or a baby, [SPEAKER_01] - 54:28 and then it forms all the way in to an infant. [SPEAKER_01] - 54:31 Human development starts at a moment. [SPEAKER_01] - 54:33 We believe that very the earliest moment of human development is worthy of protection. [SPEAKER_01] - 54:37 So I would ask you, when does human life begin? [SPEAKER_07] - 54:39 Well, I mean, so if you're talking, what do you mean, like, are you talking about like... [SPEAKER_01] - 54:42 When did your life begin? [SPEAKER_07] - 54:44 So my life in what sense? [SPEAKER_07] - 54:46 Do you mean like literally define life like right now? [SPEAKER_01] - 54:48 When did your life become worthy of protection? [SPEAKER_07] - 54:51 In what sense? [SPEAKER_07] - 54:52 Are you talking about the metabolic? [SPEAKER_01] - 54:53 I just did. [SPEAKER_01] - 54:54 When did your life become worthy of protection? [SPEAKER_07] - 54:56 When I became actually conscious and able to speak? [SPEAKER_01] - 55:00 So like able to speak. [SPEAKER_01] - 55:01 So like two years old. [SPEAKER_07] - 55:03 I think I was a bit older than that. [SPEAKER_07] - 55:05 Yeah. [SPEAKER_01] - 55:05 No, babies usually don't speak till about year, year and a half. [SPEAKER_01] - 55:08 So if I murdered you at six months, that's okay. [SPEAKER_01] - 55:10 Yes. [SPEAKER_01] - 55:17 And you're a bio student at UC Riverside. [SPEAKER_07] - 55:19 Yes. [SPEAKER_07] - 55:19 Yes. [SPEAKER_01] - 55:21 What about babies that never speak? Can I murder them? [SPEAKER_07] - 55:24 Oh my God. [SPEAKER_07] - 55:25 So disabled babies and people without sort of intelligence, [SPEAKER_07] - 55:30 I'm not saying that physical speech is a qualifier necessarily for like morality or whatever, [SPEAKER_07] - 55:36 or like moral significance, but some actual nervous activity, [SPEAKER_07] - 55:40 and I don't mean just like the whatever, like the fetus thing in the womb, [SPEAKER_07] - 55:44 that's not a qualifier for like human life. [SPEAKER_07] - 55:46 Pigs are capable of that much. [SPEAKER_07] - 55:48 Like are you a vegetarian or do you eat meat? [SPEAKER_01] - 55:50 No, but again, animals will never reach the level of human reason or consciousness. [SPEAKER_01] - 55:56 A human is valued because it is a human being. [SPEAKER_07] - 55:58 And a disabled person also would... [SPEAKER_01] - 55:59 Correct, and they're still valuable because they're a person. [SPEAKER_01] - 56:01 They're a human being. [SPEAKER_01] - 56:02 They're not a snake. They're not a lizard. [SPEAKER_01] - 56:04 They're not a toad. They're not a leopard. [SPEAKER_01] - 56:05 They're a human being, therefore worthy of protection. [SPEAKER_01] - 56:09 Okay, so... [SPEAKER_01] - 56:09 Let me ask you a question. [SPEAKER_01] - 56:10 Would you save 100 dogs' lives or one human life? [SPEAKER_07] - 56:13 One human life? [SPEAKER_01] - 56:14 Why? [SPEAKER_01] - 56:15 Why? [SPEAKER_07] - 56:15 Well, I mean, it depends on the humor. [SPEAKER_07] - 56:17 Obviously, I would save a trillion. [SPEAKER_07] - 56:19 So I would save one dog over your life, but... [SPEAKER_01] - 56:21 No, tell me why a human... [SPEAKER_01] - 56:25 I want... [SPEAKER_01] - 56:25 And we'll close with this. [SPEAKER_01] - 56:27 The fact that he's a bio student at this university [SPEAKER_01] - 56:29 shows the horrifying moral rot happening in higher education. [SPEAKER_01] - 56:33 And Trump should defund all these schools as evidence. [SPEAKER_01] - 56:36 Thank you very much. [SPEAKER_07] - 56:39 So you're ending this right now? [SPEAKER_07] - 56:40 Okay. [SPEAKER_01] - 56:40 We have a long line and we're running out of time. [SPEAKER_01] - 56:42 Thank you. [SPEAKER_01] - 56:48 I've heard a lot of things. [SPEAKER_01] - 56:49 Thank you. [SPEAKER_01] - 56:49 but terminating a nine-month-old baby, that's something else. [SPEAKER_04] - 56:57 Just for context, I am open to learning and being informed, [SPEAKER_04] - 57:03 but I do believe we have a disagreement when it comes to DEI. [SPEAKER_04] - 57:06 You think it stands for Didn't Earn It? [SPEAKER_04] - 57:08 Essentially that colleges are dropping the bar, but I think they're just opening the door. [SPEAKER_04] - 57:14 So, for example... [SPEAKER_04] - 57:18 A recent Harvard analysis by Top Economics found that students from the wealthiest 1% of families are 13 times more likely to score in the 1300 plus range for the SAT, SAT than students from the poorest families. [SPEAKER_04] - 57:30 And I don't think that's because rich kids are 13 times smarter, but it's because they have access to better schools, private tutors, test prep, everything, right? [SPEAKER_04] - 57:38 And according to the University of California, they show that family background... [SPEAKER_04] - 57:43 accounts for 40% of the variance in SAT slash ACT scores among UC applicants. [SPEAKER_04] - 57:51 I would also like to mention that the diversity in societies leaders, [SPEAKER_04] - 57:57 the casual effects of emissions at highly selective private colleges, [SPEAKER_04] - 58:00 a study shown by the National Bureau of Economic Research [SPEAKER_04] - 58:06 I think that if you think it's based on race, at times I think it's based on wealth. [SPEAKER_04] - 58:11 So legacy applicants, children of donors, and recruited athletes were significantly more likely to be admitted than other students with the same academic credentials. [SPEAKER_04] - 58:20 At least schools like Harvard, legacy students are about five to six times more likely to be admitted than non-legal students with similar SAT scores. [SPEAKER_04] - 58:31 Roughly 43% of white students admitted to Harvard from 2002 to 2015 fell into one of the four categories, right? [SPEAKER_04] - 58:39 Legacy athletes, deans, interest lists, or children of faculty or staff. [SPEAKER_04] - 58:43 three-quarters of these ALDC admits, [SPEAKER_04] - 58:47 75%, would not have been admitted [SPEAKER_04] - 58:49 if evaluated only on academic production. [SPEAKER_04] - 58:54 My question is, I guess, [SPEAKER_02] - 59:00 do you... [SPEAKER_04] - 59:01 believe that DEI could possibly not stand for diversity equity and didn't earn it, but can stand [SPEAKER_04] - 59:09 for actual diversity, that diversity of abilities. When you go into a job or to a school, they don't [SPEAKER_04] - 59:15 just ask for your SAT score. They ask what kind of clubs you were into. They ask you to submit an [SPEAKER_04] - 59:21 essay. They look at, they are a holistic academic review. So why, why do you think it doesn't [SPEAKER_04] - 59:29 it means didn't earn it. [SPEAKER_04] - 59:31 If maybe they got a less SAT score, [SPEAKER_04] - 59:35 but them as a person are just more well-rounded [SPEAKER_04] - 59:37 than the person who had all these tutors [SPEAKER_04] - 59:39 but did nothing outside of it. [SPEAKER_01] - 59:42 What, yeah. [SPEAKER_01] - 59:44 Tell me about, do you know anything about the Students for Fair Admission case, the Supreme [SPEAKER_01] - 59:47 Court case at Harvard? [SPEAKER_04] - 59:48 I would love to hear about it. [SPEAKER_01] - 59:49 So basically at Harvard, Asian and white students, they basically got two to 400 points [SPEAKER_01] - 59:55 knocked off of their score versus black and Hispanic students. [SPEAKER_01] - 59:58 So it was disenfranchising white and Asian students. [SPEAKER_01] - 60:02 So if you support DEI, let's say you're in charge. [SPEAKER_01] - 60:05 You're in charge. [SPEAKER_01] - 60:07 Do you think that we should have all test scores be weighed the same? [SPEAKER_01] - 60:11 Or do you think that certain ethnic groups should get certain points because of their race? [SPEAKER_04] - 60:16 I believe that we should acknowledge the fact that certain students have a different starting point. [SPEAKER_04] - 60:22 And I would love to give everybody the opportunity to get into school. [SPEAKER_01] - 60:24 So how many points should a black student get over a white student in admissions? [SPEAKER_04] - 60:28 I think that SAT scores and points shouldn't be the only thing referenced. [SPEAKER_01] - 60:32 But you have to answer the question because [SPEAKER_01] - 60:34 The status quo. [SPEAKER_04] - 60:35 But it's not that black and white. [SPEAKER_01] - 60:36 It is. [SPEAKER_01] - 60:36 So it is. [SPEAKER_01] - 60:37 Because that's why affirmative action was struck down by the Supreme Court. [SPEAKER_04] - 60:41 We're not talking about affirmative action. [SPEAKER_04] - 60:42 We're talking about DEI. [SPEAKER_01] - 60:43 DEI is an outgrowth. [SPEAKER_01] - 60:44 Affirmative action is an outgrowth of DEI and vice versa. [SPEAKER_01] - 60:47 But let me give you another example of DEI. [SPEAKER_01] - 60:49 DEI. [SPEAKER_01] - 60:49 Do you think if I say to a group, let's say of Hispanic and Black people, if I say you people, is that a microaggression? [SPEAKER_04] - 60:57 Say that again, I'm so sorry. [SPEAKER_01] - 60:58 If I was talking to a group of Hispanic or Black people, and I happen to say you people, is that a microaggression? [SPEAKER_04] - 61:05 I would think so, yes. [SPEAKER_01] - 61:07 Okay, I think that's insane. [SPEAKER_01] - 61:08 Why? [SPEAKER_01] - 61:09 Because it's not a microaggression or racism to call any group of people, you people. [SPEAKER_01] - 61:13 That's DEI in practice. [SPEAKER_01] - 61:15 So you guys might know about the group of clowns and the circus group of the Dean on F America thing. [SPEAKER_01] - 61:20 They fell apart in one week because... [SPEAKER_01] - 61:23 one black woman called Dean and Parker racist because they were associated with a woman who [SPEAKER_01] - 61:28 called the group of black women, you people, and they said you did not recognize microaggression. [SPEAKER_01] - 61:33 That's DEI in practice where you could lose your entire job and your career for one misstatement. [SPEAKER_01] - 61:39 And you just showed it to me. Like, you think that's a microaggression to say you people [SPEAKER_01] - 61:43 to a group of Hispanic and black people? We should not be policing the speech of people [SPEAKER_01] - 61:48 Instead, we should be caring about one thing, [SPEAKER_01] - 61:49 and that's merit and merit only [SPEAKER_01] - 61:51 when we put together our institutions. [SPEAKER_04] - 61:53 But if you betas it on meritocracy, [SPEAKER_04] - 61:55 like I said, you're initially bringing in wealthy people [SPEAKER_04] - 61:58 who have these tutors but aren't well-rounded. [SPEAKER_01] - 62:00 That doesn't mean anything. [SPEAKER_01] - 62:02 Yes, the degree of how good your parents are matter. [SPEAKER_01] - 62:05 Yes. [SPEAKER_01] - 62:06 If you have good parents, you get something that people with bad parents don't get. [SPEAKER_01] - 62:09 That's applicable beyond college. [SPEAKER_04] - 62:11 But with the people who score higher, let's say they didn't do anything, [SPEAKER_04] - 62:14 they are less likely to be able to take on challenges than the people who... [SPEAKER_04] - 62:19 Why wouldn't it matter? [SPEAKER_01] - 62:20 Because inherently you are penalizing those with good parents. [SPEAKER_01] - 62:22 The only way you can make this work... [SPEAKER_01] - 62:24 You're not penalizing them. [SPEAKER_04] - 62:25 Yes, you are. [SPEAKER_04] - 62:25 No, you're not excluding them. [SPEAKER_01] - 62:26 Not true. [SPEAKER_01] - 62:27 It is the only way we see this. [SPEAKER_01] - 62:29 In order to elevate equity, you must compromise excellence. [SPEAKER_01] - 62:32 And that's fine if that's your position, because there's only so many spots, there's only [SPEAKER_01] - 62:35 so many places, and if you have a lot of qualified people and you want to try to get not as [SPEAKER_01] - 62:39 qualified people, you have to prevent the qualified people and elevate the unqualified people. [SPEAKER_01] - 62:43 That's what the Students for Fair Admissions case showed us. [SPEAKER_04] - 62:45 You're thinking that DEI is versus excellence. [SPEAKER_04] - 62:49 I think DEI is for excellence. [SPEAKER_04] - 62:50 Got it. [SPEAKER_01] - 62:51 Show me one institution that got better the more embraced DEI. [SPEAKER_04] - 62:54 One institution that got better, that embraced DEI. [SPEAKER_01] - 62:57 That got smarter, more competitive, leaner, more productive, and that was better than it was 10 years ago. [SPEAKER_01] - 63:02 Are our airports more efficient? [SPEAKER_01] - 63:04 Are we landing planes better? [SPEAKER_01] - 63:05 Are our airlines better? [SPEAKER_01] - 63:06 Is our government better? [SPEAKER_01] - 63:08 Is our schools better? [SPEAKER_01] - 63:09 Is our universities better? [SPEAKER_01] - 63:10 I mean, show me one example. [SPEAKER_01] - 63:12 Is our public health authorities better? [SPEAKER_01] - 63:14 Show me one institution that's embraced DEI that has become better, more excellent than it was 20 years ago. [SPEAKER_01] - 63:19 It doesn't exist. [SPEAKER_01] - 63:20 DEI will destroy an institution from within. [SPEAKER_04] - 63:23 Let me ask you another question. [SPEAKER_04] - 63:25 When people, when COVID happened, [SPEAKER_04] - 63:26 they removed the SAT scores, [SPEAKER_04] - 63:27 yet the graduation rates for Harvard were still the same. [SPEAKER_04] - 63:30 Do you think that because of, sorry. [SPEAKER_04] - 63:34 With that being said, since ACT wasn't even considered, [SPEAKER_04] - 63:37 schools are accepting people with the potential to succeed. [SPEAKER_04] - 63:41 Because once you get in, you're still going off the same mare as everybody else. [SPEAKER_01] - 63:44 A lot of people drop out that are... [SPEAKER_01] - 63:46 The problem with Harvard is that they now have professors, [SPEAKER_01] - 63:49 a ton of them that are saying they have to retake courses and remedial courses [SPEAKER_01] - 63:52 because these kids should never be here in the first place. [SPEAKER_01] - 63:54 They happen to be a lot of black and Hispanic kids [SPEAKER_01] - 63:56 that were let in strictly because of the color of their skin. [SPEAKER_01] - 63:59 So I guess my question is, do you care about the racial makeup of a college? [SPEAKER_04] - 64:05 The racial makeup of a college. [SPEAKER_01] - 64:07 Like if a college was all white or all Asian, would that bother you? [SPEAKER_04] - 64:11 I think it would stop them from being able to see different perspectives and thus improve their systems and improve the quality of their opportunities. [SPEAKER_01] - 64:20 But why is diversity only skin color? Can't a bunch of white people also disagree? [SPEAKER_04] - 64:23 Well, think of it this way. If I, like my mom went to the hospital or something, and let's say her English is good, but her Spanish is good, but the English not so much, right? [SPEAKER_04] - 64:35 It would help that if a person who is Hispanic or knows Spanish [SPEAKER_04] - 64:39 would be the one helping her, she'd feel more comfortable with that person [SPEAKER_04] - 64:41 because she understands and relates. [SPEAKER_01] - 64:44 Okay, I mean, yeah, you're in America, you should learn English. [SPEAKER_01] - 64:47 I don't know what to tell you, but... [SPEAKER_04] - 64:49 No, she is... [SPEAKER_01] - 64:50 Good, I mean, I'm not trying to be insensitive or cruel. [SPEAKER_04] - 64:52 But she would rather be with a Hispanic nurse versus one that doesn't, [SPEAKER_04] - 64:56 so she could speak comfortably. [SPEAKER_01] - 64:58 As an organization, you must prioritize something. [SPEAKER_01] - 65:01 We think that excellence should be... [SPEAKER_01] - 65:02 We must have an uncompromising pursuit and commitment to excellence. [SPEAKER_01] - 65:06 Yes. [SPEAKER_01] - 65:06 and not equity. [SPEAKER_01] - 65:08 And we believe the more that we embrace [SPEAKER_01] - 65:09 this kind of culture mediocrity, [SPEAKER_01] - 65:12 excellence will slip. [SPEAKER_01] - 65:14 And again, I could go through, [SPEAKER_01] - 65:16 at the core DEI wants a lot of things, [SPEAKER_01] - 65:19 including racial quotas. [SPEAKER_01] - 65:20 We don't believe in racial quotas. [SPEAKER_01] - 65:23 Our best institutions would fall apart with racial quotas. [SPEAKER_01] - 65:25 We want excellence quotas and the best and the ones that earned it to be able to get in those positions. [SPEAKER_01] - 65:30 Thank you for your good faith conversation. [SPEAKER_01] - 65:31 Wait, can I ask? [SPEAKER_01] - 65:32 Really quick, we're running out of time. [SPEAKER_01] - 65:33 One last question. [SPEAKER_04] - 65:33 Okay, so aside from DEI, I also wanted to ask you to confirm the murky gray area with sexual assault. [SPEAKER_04] - 65:42 In a previous video, you mentioned that if there was two 19-year-olds, they were drunk, and then... [SPEAKER_01] - 65:47 Yes, if they're intoxicated. So again, no means no, and stop means stop, but you would both agree. [SPEAKER_01] - 65:51 If two parties are intoxicated, there's gray area, right? [SPEAKER_04] - 65:53 No, I don't. [SPEAKER_01] - 65:54 Actually, yes, the law says that consent cannot be given or withdrawn if both parties or either party is intoxicated. [SPEAKER_01] - 65:59 That's the law. The law here in California is that if one party is intoxicated, it is raped by either the woman or the man. [SPEAKER_01] - 66:05 That's gray area. So did you know that if you have sex with an intoxicated person, you're a rapist? Did you know that? [SPEAKER_01] - 66:12 I didn't. [SPEAKER_01] - 66:12 That's what the law says. [SPEAKER_01] - 66:13 That's what I meant by gray area. [SPEAKER_01] - 66:15 I encourage people to look into that because when it's past 2 a.m. [SPEAKER_01] - 66:17 and both parties are intoxicated, by law, they're actually both committing rape. [SPEAKER_01] - 66:21 According to California law and national law in every state, if one or both parties are intoxicated, consent is not a thing. [SPEAKER_01] - 66:28 You are not allowed to have sex with that person under that circumstance. [SPEAKER_04] - 66:31 Okay, so then to you then it's not a greater, it's sexual assault by law. [SPEAKER_01] - 66:37 No, I actually, I'm not willing to call every single person that's had sex while they're drunk a rapist, are you? [SPEAKER_04] - 66:43 Well, if the girl is saying no. [SPEAKER_01] - 66:45 She's not, they're both intoxicated. So what they say is irrelevant. That's the point. [SPEAKER_01] - 66:49 And no one wants to talk about this, is that according to the law, intoxication removes consent. [SPEAKER_01] - 66:54 Literally, you are not allowed to give, receive, deny, or remove consent if you are intoxicated. [SPEAKER_01] - 67:00 So an example that I was giving in that viral clip was very clear. [SPEAKER_01] - 67:03 Two people that are intoxicated post 2 a.m., who is right, who is wrong, case-dependent gray area, [SPEAKER_01] - 67:08 all while saying under normal circumstances, no mean no and stop mean stop. [SPEAKER_01] - 67:12 But let me ask you another question. [SPEAKER_01] - 67:14 Do you think if two 18-year-olds are sitting on a park bench and the man goes in for a kiss with the girl and it's unwanted, did he commit sexual assault? [SPEAKER_01] - 67:22 Did he ask? [SPEAKER_01] - 67:23 Did the man commit sexual assault to try to kiss a girl? [SPEAKER_04] - 67:26 Did he ask? [SPEAKER_04] - 67:28 Did he ask? [SPEAKER_01] - 67:29 Can... [SPEAKER_01] - 67:29 So let me be clear. [SPEAKER_01] - 67:30 A man has to ask a woman verbally before he has to kiss a girl. [SPEAKER_01] - 67:34 Is that your position? [SPEAKER_04] - 67:35 He can either ask or she can make it very known that, like, she backs away. [SPEAKER_01] - 67:39 How can she make it known? [SPEAKER_01] - 67:40 How can she, without talking, how can she make it known? [SPEAKER_04] - 67:42 She can back away. [SPEAKER_04] - 67:44 She can make a face. [SPEAKER_04] - 67:46 Same thing if they were drunk. [SPEAKER_01] - 67:47 You want to know why romance has left this country? [SPEAKER_01] - 67:50 You have to ask before you kiss somebody on a first date. [SPEAKER_01] - 67:53 Excuse me. [SPEAKER_01] - 67:54 Can I kiss you? [SPEAKER_01] - 67:54 Really? [SPEAKER_04] - 67:56 Yes. [SPEAKER_04] - 67:56 I think it'd be kind of romantic. [SPEAKER_04] - 67:59 Do you understand? [SPEAKER_04] - 68:01 But either way, I think regardless, there is a way to do it non-verbally. [SPEAKER_01] - 68:05 Well, hold on, non-verbally. So it's like a mind trick? [SPEAKER_01] - 68:07 No, it's a... [SPEAKER_01] - 68:08 Does that hold up in court non-verbally? [SPEAKER_04] - 68:09 I'm backing up. You keep getting closer. I don't know why. [SPEAKER_01] - 68:13 But hold on. If you do it verbally, stop. Don't get near me. [SPEAKER_01] - 68:15 I'm talking about two people that are next to a park bench and they're having a good time. [SPEAKER_01] - 68:18 She can scooch. [SPEAKER_01] - 68:20 Oh, she can scooch. [SPEAKER_01] - 68:21 She can scooch away. [SPEAKER_01] - 68:22 And the guy goes in for a move. [SPEAKER_01] - 68:23 He's a sexual assaulter. [SPEAKER_01] - 68:25 No. [SPEAKER_01] - 68:25 That's what, oh, to be consistent, unwanted kiss is unwanted sexual advance is a sexual assault. [SPEAKER_04] - 68:30 The difference is that one of them is removing consent. [SPEAKER_04] - 68:32 The other one didn't even realize that he was asking for consent. [SPEAKER_01] - 68:35 They're having a nice time. [SPEAKER_01] - 68:36 He thinks that he's getting the signals. [SPEAKER_01] - 68:38 He misreads it. [SPEAKER_01] - 68:39 Mm-hmm. [SPEAKER_01] - 68:39 All of a sudden, we're willing to call that guy at 18 years old a sexual assaulter because he went in for a move. [SPEAKER_04] - 68:45 I'm saying that the difference between that situation and the sexual assault is that she or no consent versus the person who they didn't realize that they were trying to initiate consent. [SPEAKER_01] - 68:55 No, but I'm saying though, in order for you to be consistent, that has to be sexual assault. [SPEAKER_01] - 69:00 And I'm not willing to call the millions of boys across the country going in for their first kiss guilty of sexual assault. [SPEAKER_01] - 69:05 I think that's insane. [SPEAKER_04] - 69:06 But you're willing to call it a murky gray area for the men who are drunk and pinning down women, even though they're saying no? [SPEAKER_01] - 69:12 I never said that. [SPEAKER_01] - 69:13 Hold on. [SPEAKER_01] - 69:13 Let's recap. [SPEAKER_01] - 69:13 You're not listening. [SPEAKER_01] - 69:14 I said no means no. [SPEAKER_01] - 69:16 Stop means stop. [SPEAKER_01] - 69:17 But intoxication, there is no consent. [SPEAKER_01] - 69:19 No. [SPEAKER_01] - 69:19 I've said that, and we must be morally clear and legally clear. [SPEAKER_01] - 69:23 People don't know that. [SPEAKER_01] - 69:24 According to the law, if one or both parties is intoxicated, consent does not exist. [SPEAKER_01] - 69:29 We don't teach our kids that. [SPEAKER_01] - 69:30 Every time you go to a drunk frat party and someone is intoxicated, [SPEAKER_01] - 69:33 woman or man and they have sex, they are then the victim of rape. [SPEAKER_01] - 69:37 I'm not willing to say that 30 million people then commit rape. [SPEAKER_01] - 69:40 And yes, that's the point. [SPEAKER_01] - 69:42 There's a lot of nuance and case dependency to these issues. [SPEAKER_01] - 69:45 And unfortunately, I don't think you meant to. [SPEAKER_01] - 69:47 You've exhibited why young men are moving right so dramatically [SPEAKER_01] - 69:50 because they don't want to be called rapists at every turn [SPEAKER_01] - 69:53 because they made one unwanted advance to a woman at a party. [SPEAKER_01] - 69:56 Thank you very much. [SPEAKER_01] - 69:58 Thank you. [SPEAKER_01] - 70:03 Okay, yes. [SPEAKER_01] - 70:05 Thank you. [SPEAKER_01] - 70:05 Yes. [SPEAKER_01] - 70:06 Yes, ma'am. [SPEAKER_01] - 70:07 How are you? [SPEAKER_01] - 70:07 Good. [SPEAKER_01] - 70:08 How are you? [SPEAKER_01] - 70:10 What's your name? [SPEAKER_01] - 70:12 Dakota. [SPEAKER_01] - 70:13 Nice to meet you, Dakota. [SPEAKER_01] - 70:14 How old are you? [SPEAKER_01] - 70:15 I'm 11. [SPEAKER_01] - 70:16 Amazing. [SPEAKER_01] - 70:16 Give it up for Dakota being here today. [SPEAKER_01] - 70:22 So, I'm pro-life. [SPEAKER_01] - 70:24 I'm a fiscal conservative. [SPEAKER_01] - 70:27 And I know I want to get into politics when I grow up. [SPEAKER_01] - 70:30 I don't want to get into massive depth for a political science degree. [SPEAKER_01] - 70:35 What concrete steps can I take now in order to achieve the goal of doing my part to make America [SPEAKER_01] - 70:40 great again? [SPEAKER_01] - 70:41 Oh, great. [SPEAKER_01] - 70:44 You should go to Hillsdale College, America's greatest college, [SPEAKER_01] - 70:48 and start studying now. [SPEAKER_01] - 70:49 Start taking classes, reading books. [SPEAKER_01] - 70:51 You have to be in charge of your own education, [SPEAKER_01] - 70:54 and the fact you're thinking like this at 11 is a great sign. [SPEAKER_01] - 70:57 God bless you, and the future is very bright. [SPEAKER_01] - 70:59 Thank you. [SPEAKER_01] - 71:00 Do you want a hat? [SPEAKER_10] - 71:06 Hi, Charlie. [SPEAKER_10] - 71:07 I'm Nala Ray. [SPEAKER_10] - 71:08 It's so nice to be here today. [SPEAKER_10] - 71:11 So I was one of OnlyFans' top models for the last five years. [SPEAKER_10] - 71:15 And I got saved and I radically gave my life to the Lord and gave that life up. [SPEAKER_01] - 71:21 Praise the Lord. [SPEAKER_10] - 71:24 So I want to know, would you support a ban on porn in America and what would you do to make that happen? [SPEAKER_01] - 71:31 I mean, if it's, I don't think, unfortunately, I don't think it's legal, but absolutely. [SPEAKER_01] - 71:35 I mean, first of all, porn is no different than a digital opiate and an addiction. [SPEAKER_01] - 71:39 I mean, we've seen states that have made it harder to access and porn rates have gone down. [SPEAKER_01] - 71:43 But you were once an only fans model. [SPEAKER_01] - 71:46 What would you have to say to the danger and the damage that does to young people? [SPEAKER_10] - 71:51 Honestly so much it depends on sex as well. [SPEAKER_10] - 71:55 It has different effects on men than it does women. [SPEAKER_10] - 71:58 Like for men it shuts them down. [SPEAKER_10] - 71:59 They don't know how to be in good relationships. [SPEAKER_10] - 72:01 They don't know how to treat women. [SPEAKER_10] - 72:02 For women it's all emotional. [SPEAKER_10] - 72:04 And they just continue to get compared to the women in porn. [SPEAKER_10] - 72:09 You know, so honestly I'd say some self-control would go a really long way [SPEAKER_10] - 72:12 which is also one of the fruits of the spirit. [SPEAKER_10] - 72:14 So I think America needs a revival right now. [SPEAKER_01] - 72:18 That's what I think. [SPEAKER_01] - 72:18 Praise the Lord. [SPEAKER_01] - 72:19 Stay there for a second. [SPEAKER_01] - 72:23 I have a message to men, and then I want you to give a message to women. [SPEAKER_01] - 72:26 Men, if you are consuming OnlyFans, it is no different than you going out with a prostitute every night. [SPEAKER_01] - 72:32 The only difference is that you guys get to hide behind some screen. [SPEAKER_01] - 72:35 You are contributing to the dehumanization and delitimization of millions of young women that are nothing more... [SPEAKER_01] - 72:42 You are supplying the demand of the new online sex trade, [SPEAKER_01] - 72:45 and you need to stop doing it and repent in front of God [SPEAKER_01] - 72:48 for contributing to this awful cancer of selling your body for cash online. [SPEAKER_01] - 72:53 That is my message to men. [SPEAKER_01] - 72:55 What is your message to women that sell their bodies online? [SPEAKER_10] - 73:00 Honestly, you're so much more worth it than that. [SPEAKER_10] - 73:02 I don't know who hurt you in your life if you have daddy issues, mommy issues, [SPEAKER_10] - 73:05 but you were made for so much more in the eyes of God. [SPEAKER_10] - 73:08 You were fearfully and wonderfully made, and that is it. [SPEAKER_01] - 73:11 Mike drop. [SPEAKER_01] - 73:12 God bless you. [SPEAKER_01] - 73:13 Thank you so much. [SPEAKER_01] - 73:14 Thank you. [SPEAKER_14] - 73:19 Hello, Charlie. [SPEAKER_14] - 73:21 All right. [SPEAKER_14] - 73:22 So what I believe is that health care is a human right. [SPEAKER_14] - 73:24 So we need free health care, aka universal health care. [SPEAKER_01] - 73:29 Okay, define health care. [SPEAKER_14] - 73:32 It's a, you're trying to pigeonhole me right now. [SPEAKER_01] - 73:40 Define what you think should be free. [SPEAKER_14] - 73:42 Define all humans should have health care, regardless if they're on. [SPEAKER_01] - 73:45 What is health care? [SPEAKER_14] - 73:47 The right to see a doctor. [SPEAKER_01] - 73:50 At any time for any reason? [SPEAKER_01] - 73:51 Yes. [SPEAKER_01] - 73:52 Paid for by somebody else. [SPEAKER_14] - 73:53 Paid by the rich. [SPEAKER_14] - 73:54 Right. [SPEAKER_01] - 73:56 So we should believe, hold on. Time out. Time out. Is abortion health care? Yes. [SPEAKER_01] - 74:02 Got it. So we should pay for other people's abortions. Got it. Yes. [SPEAKER_01] - 74:05 Is breast augmentation health care? Yes. [SPEAKER_01] - 74:09 Okay. So we should pay for everyone's boob jobs. Got it. So is, yeah, he will. Yeah. [SPEAKER_01] - 74:16 Is massage therapy health care? Yes. [SPEAKER_01] - 74:19 Okay. So we should pay for everyone massages. Got it. Is acupuncture health care? [SPEAKER_01] - 74:22 Yes. [SPEAKER_01] - 74:23 Got it. So basically health care is not actually immediate needs. It's lifestyle. [SPEAKER_14] - 74:30 Well, here's the thing, though, in Europe, health care is free. [SPEAKER_01] - 74:34 Nope, you got to define it. [SPEAKER_01] - 74:35 You said anytime you see a doctor. [SPEAKER_01] - 74:36 So just be clear, under your way of living, everyone, the rich would have to pay for everyone getting massages, acupuncture. [SPEAKER_01] - 74:43 90%. [SPEAKER_01] - 74:44 Okay, again, so I want to make sure we're clear, including abortions. [SPEAKER_01] - 74:50 at any time that people want. [SPEAKER_01] - 74:52 Yes. [SPEAKER_01] - 74:53 Got it. [SPEAKER_01] - 74:53 Who is rich? [SPEAKER_14] - 74:54 Elon Musk, [SPEAKER_14] - 74:55 Mark Zuckerberg, [SPEAKER_14] - 74:56 and I want to add this in. [SPEAKER_14] - 74:58 The upper income, [SPEAKER_14] - 74:59 people like doctors, surgeons, [SPEAKER_14] - 75:01 they should pay. [SPEAKER_01] - 75:02 How much? [SPEAKER_14] - 75:03 Oh, for the doctors and surgeons. [SPEAKER_01] - 75:04 What should the tax rate be for someone [SPEAKER_01] - 75:06 making a million dollars a year? [SPEAKER_14] - 75:09 65%. [SPEAKER_01] - 75:09 Got it. [SPEAKER_01] - 75:10 So... [SPEAKER_01] - 75:11 Let's play that out in California. [SPEAKER_01] - 75:13 In California, if you earn a million dollars a year, and 65% of it goes to the federal government, 13% goes to the state government, then you have property tax, sales tax. [SPEAKER_01] - 75:25 So therefore, 85% of everything you earn, so making a million dollars a year, you keep 150,000. [SPEAKER_01] - 75:32 Is that fair? [SPEAKER_14] - 75:33 Yes. [SPEAKER_14] - 75:33 Yes. [SPEAKER_01] - 75:38 This is on full display what they want to do. [SPEAKER_01] - 75:40 They want to take 85% of your money if you happen to be successful. [SPEAKER_14] - 75:44 Remember what Reaganomics did to the working class and the middle class. [SPEAKER_01] - 75:48 Reagan never had an 85% tax rate on anybody. [SPEAKER_01] - 75:51 But if you count sales tax, county tax, [SPEAKER_01] - 75:53 Local tax, death tax. [SPEAKER_01] - 75:55 We tax every single portion of it. [SPEAKER_01] - 75:57 The problem is not that we don't have enough taxes. [SPEAKER_01] - 75:59 The problem is that government is too big, [SPEAKER_01] - 76:00 spending our money on stuff that does not matter, [SPEAKER_01] - 76:03 that the private sector can do a much better job of. [SPEAKER_01] - 76:06 A much better job of. [SPEAKER_01] - 76:07 And so you say healthcare is a right. [SPEAKER_01] - 76:09 You can't even barely define it. [SPEAKER_01] - 76:10 No, I don't think that you, if you work hard, [SPEAKER_01] - 76:12 should pay for everyone's, someone else's massages. [SPEAKER_14] - 76:14 All right, so let's say if you're a lower income, [SPEAKER_14] - 76:17 let's say if you grew up in a lower income family. [SPEAKER_14] - 76:19 Would you want free health care as well? [SPEAKER_01] - 76:22 First of all, nothing is free. [SPEAKER_01] - 76:22 It's paid for by somebody else. [SPEAKER_01] - 76:24 Secondly, we already have Medicaid. [SPEAKER_01] - 76:25 There's a lot wrong with it. [SPEAKER_01] - 76:26 We already have the VA system. [SPEAKER_01] - 76:27 There's a lot wrong with it. [SPEAKER_01] - 76:29 And the point being is this. [SPEAKER_01] - 76:30 We should try to get people off government benefits, not on government benefits. [SPEAKER_01] - 76:33 We should try to make sure we have less people on the governmental, not more people on the governmental. [SPEAKER_01] - 76:38 And socialized health care would be a disaster for this country. [SPEAKER_01] - 76:41 It would be a catastrophe. [SPEAKER_14] - 76:43 No, it's not. [SPEAKER_14] - 76:44 Brittany Sanderson, the O.C. said it's not. [SPEAKER_01] - 76:45 Oh, got it. [SPEAKER_01] - 76:46 So it must be true. [SPEAKER_01] - 76:46 All right. [SPEAKER_14] - 76:48 I support them. [SPEAKER_01] - 76:49 I'm sure you do. [SPEAKER_01] - 76:51 Thank you very much. [SPEAKER_14] - 76:51 Trump sucks. [SPEAKER_01] - 76:54 As Donald Trump would say, they're not sending their best. [SPEAKER_01] - 76:59 They're not sending their best. [SPEAKER_01] - 77:01 What's going on, Charlie? [SPEAKER_01] - 77:02 My name's Luke. [SPEAKER_01] - 77:03 I am a 23-year-old Christian conservative man. [SPEAKER_01] - 77:09 And I'm not here to debate you, but just to ask you for some advice. [SPEAKER_01] - 77:13 I married my beautiful wife last year at the age of 22. [SPEAKER_01] - 77:17 Thank you, thank you. [SPEAKER_01] - 77:19 And I just want to say I respect and admire. [SPEAKER_01] - 77:22 I've been watching from a distance how your ability to lead your family, your beautiful wife, your beautiful children. [SPEAKER_01] - 77:29 And as a young man pursuing a marriage, I just want to ask if you had any advice on how I can pursue and maintain a God-centered marriage for the rest of my life. [SPEAKER_01] - 77:37 And thank you for that. [SPEAKER_01] - 77:39 Number one, God must always come first from your spiritual disciplines. [SPEAKER_01] - 77:43 Honor the Sabbaths and turn off your phone for one day a week. [SPEAKER_01] - 77:46 Go to a church, a good Bible-based church. [SPEAKER_01] - 77:48 We have many of the pastors here that teach the Word of God verse by verse. [SPEAKER_01] - 77:52 And also understand that it's external things of the flesh that... [SPEAKER_01] - 77:56 like alcohol or porn or drugs or other temptations that will take down your marriage. [SPEAKER_01] - 78:01 You as the husband must constantly be at guard of things and also over shopping, [SPEAKER_01] - 78:06 over indulgence, too much credit cards, idolatry of vacations. [SPEAKER_01] - 78:10 You must guard the family from those things seeping in. [SPEAKER_01] - 78:14 So understand the order. [SPEAKER_01] - 78:15 It's God and then the marriage. [SPEAKER_01] - 78:17 And those things will bless your marriage from the devil who tries to undermine it and usurp your holy union. [SPEAKER_01] - 78:21 I love it. [SPEAKER_01] - 78:22 Thank you, Charlie. [SPEAKER_01] - 78:22 God bless you, man. [SPEAKER_01] - 78:23 Thank you. [SPEAKER_11] - 78:26 Charlie Kirk, it's really you, man. [SPEAKER_11] - 78:29 I've been following you since George Floyd. [SPEAKER_11] - 78:31 That whole thing went down. [SPEAKER_11] - 78:33 I want to preface my question by saying, I voted for Donald Trump, but when students say that Donald Trump wants to rule like a fascist and then deports people like Abrago Garcia without due process, I wanted to ask you, how can you call yourself an American patriot when the Supreme Court ruled 9 to 0 that the deportation was unlawful and that they are ordered to facilitate his return and haven't? [SPEAKER_01] - 78:57 How can I call myself an American patriot because a MS-13 gang member, wife beating, child abusing, foreign citizen was sent back to his country of origin? [SPEAKER_01] - 79:06 Pretty easily. [SPEAKER_01] - 79:06 That's what American patriots do. [SPEAKER_01] - 79:08 Secondly, the Supreme Court did not say that. [SPEAKER_01] - 79:10 They said 9-0 that there was an administrative error that he could have been sent to any country except El Salvador. [SPEAKER_01] - 79:15 The fact was not that it was wrong that he was deported. [SPEAKER_01] - 79:17 It was just the fact that he was deported to the one country you could not be deported to. [SPEAKER_01] - 79:20 Finally, I don't understand the emphasis and the concern and the hyper-pathological fixation on why... [SPEAKER_01] - 79:26 A foreign citizen who is a gang member gets all of the attention of the American left [SPEAKER_01] - 79:30 while you, the American people, have been ignored by them over the last 30 years. [SPEAKER_01] - 79:34 It's creepy and it's bizarre. [SPEAKER_11] - 79:36 There are a lot of criticisms to be made that we have been ignored, [SPEAKER_11] - 79:39 but at the end of the day, number one, the 14th Amendment grants due process. [SPEAKER_11] - 79:44 Wrong. [SPEAKER_11] - 79:45 Yes, it does. [SPEAKER_01] - 79:45 Not under the Alien Enemies Act. [SPEAKER_01] - 79:47 That's incorrect. [SPEAKER_01] - 79:48 Alien Enemies Act does not give you the same due process, right? [SPEAKER_01] - 79:50 He can only... [SPEAKER_01] - 79:50 Okay. [SPEAKER_01] - 79:51 Number two, it was still... [SPEAKER_01] - 79:53 underway while that happened. Number two, [SPEAKER_01] - 79:55 the Supreme Court ruled in 2019 under [SPEAKER_01] - 79:57 the Expedited Removal Act that you do not get [SPEAKER_01] - 79:59 full due process rights if you're within 100 [SPEAKER_01] - 80:01 miles of the border of 14 days of entry. [SPEAKER_01] - 80:03 And then number three, do you think that we should have [SPEAKER_01] - 80:05 21 million trials for all the illegals [SPEAKER_01] - 80:07 that the Democrats lend in? [SPEAKER_11] - 80:09 So, so... [SPEAKER_11] - 80:09 to take each point. [SPEAKER_11] - 80:12 Number one, the Alien Enemies Act can only be invoked [SPEAKER_11] - 80:14 if there's, I believe, reason to suspect war or if there's... [SPEAKER_01] - 80:19 Yes, we've been invaded the last four years. [SPEAKER_11] - 80:20 So yes. [SPEAKER_11] - 80:21 You can't just say that. [SPEAKER_01] - 80:22 Yes, you can. [SPEAKER_01] - 80:24 Trend Aragu and MS-13 invaded this country the last four years. [SPEAKER_01] - 80:26 We have material proof to show that. [SPEAKER_01] - 80:28 What's your next point? [SPEAKER_11] - 80:28 Okay. [SPEAKER_11] - 80:29 That has to be proven in a court of law. [SPEAKER_11] - 80:31 But my next point is... [SPEAKER_01] - 80:31 No, it does not. [SPEAKER_01] - 80:32 Okay. [SPEAKER_01] - 80:32 You could do it and then you prove it. [SPEAKER_01] - 80:34 The point is the President has full authority to invoke the ADA. [SPEAKER_11] - 80:36 You can do it and then you can prove it. [SPEAKER_01] - 80:37 Yes, that's correct. [SPEAKER_01] - 80:38 The Commander-in-Chief has unilateral war powers acts within 90 days [SPEAKER_01] - 80:42 to be able to defend the country with an Asian invasion or incursion or war. [SPEAKER_01] - 80:46 For example, the President doesn't have to go in front of a judge if all of a sudden [SPEAKER_01] - 80:48 he wants to defend ourselves against Saddam Hussein or whomever, North Korea attacking [SPEAKER_01] - 80:52 the country. [SPEAKER_01] - 80:53 The President is the Commander-in-Chief who can act unilaterally under Article 2 to defend [SPEAKER_01] - 80:56 our country against invasion. [SPEAKER_01] - 80:58 You don't have to go to a court first to get permission to act as Commander-in-Chief. [SPEAKER_01] - 81:01 That's insane. [SPEAKER_01] - 81:02 Okay. [SPEAKER_11] - 81:03 I'm not sure if that's true, but I'll take that for the case. [SPEAKER_01] - 81:05 Of course it's true, man. [SPEAKER_11] - 81:05 For the case of argument, the Supreme Court still ruled that they have to facilitate his return. [SPEAKER_11] - 81:10 They have not. [SPEAKER_11] - 81:11 Why haven't they? [SPEAKER_01] - 81:12 They asked. [SPEAKER_01] - 81:12 It's El Salvador. [SPEAKER_01] - 81:13 They said no. [SPEAKER_11] - 81:14 The Supreme Court says they have to facilitate a return. [SPEAKER_01] - 81:16 They don't control El Salvador. I'm sorry, they don't control El Salvador. [SPEAKER_11] - 81:18 So we can send people to El Salvador, but we can't bring them back? [SPEAKER_01] - 81:21 Yes, we don't control El Salvador. It's not our country. [SPEAKER_11] - 81:24 So we can send people there? [SPEAKER_01] - 81:25 You mean, hold on. You mean we sent an El Salvadorian back to El Salvador? [SPEAKER_11] - 81:29 Against the law. [SPEAKER_01] - 81:30 Wrong. [SPEAKER_01] - 81:30 It was an administrative error. [SPEAKER_01] - 81:32 It was not against the law. [SPEAKER_11] - 81:33 It's not against the law. [SPEAKER_11] - 81:34 There was a 2019 court ruling under Dave M. Jones that he has a withholding of... [SPEAKER_01] - 81:38 They could go to any country except El Salvador. [SPEAKER_01] - 81:40 We acknowledge it was the one country he should not have been sent to. [SPEAKER_01] - 81:42 It was not an illegal deportation. [SPEAKER_01] - 81:44 The judge said, this is your final warning, Mr. Garcia. [SPEAKER_01] - 81:47 You could be scooped up at any time and sent to any country except El Salvador. [SPEAKER_01] - 81:50 So, ironically, if we would have sent him to the Congo, Gitmo, North Korea, [SPEAKER_01] - 81:54 it would have been perfectly fine, which would have actually been foreign prisons. [SPEAKER_01] - 81:57 We actually did him the... [SPEAKER_01] - 81:58 accommodation of him going home. [SPEAKER_01] - 82:00 Thank you very much. [SPEAKER_01] - 82:00 Next question, we're running out of time. [SPEAKER_01] - 82:03 So yes. [SPEAKER_01] - 82:03 What's up, Charlie? [SPEAKER_01] - 82:04 First thing I want to say is I'm a big fan. [SPEAKER_01] - 82:05 I've been following you for a long time. [SPEAKER_01] - 82:07 My question is about birthright citizenship. [SPEAKER_01] - 82:09 I completely understand it. [SPEAKER_01] - 82:11 I think I am a little confused, though. [SPEAKER_01] - 82:13 How could we get rid of birthright citizenship if we... [SPEAKER_01] - 82:16 Yeah, it's a good question. [SPEAKER_01] - 82:17 Last time it was heard was in the late 1890s. [SPEAKER_01] - 82:19 It was about the children of permanent residents. [SPEAKER_01] - 82:21 They've actually not heard a case in the recent times around the children of illegal aliens. [SPEAKER_01] - 82:26 Okay. [SPEAKER_01] - 82:26 A permanent resident is something different than an illegal alien. [SPEAKER_01] - 82:28 Okay. [SPEAKER_01] - 82:29 How could we get rid of birthright citizenship? [SPEAKER_01] - 82:31 The Supreme Court has to rule on it. [SPEAKER_01] - 82:32 If we use the same argument that the child is its own human being with its own human rights for abortion, [SPEAKER_01] - 82:40 Yeah, so shouldn't it be given? [SPEAKER_01] - 82:42 You don't have a right to citizenship. [SPEAKER_01] - 82:43 You have a right to life. [SPEAKER_01] - 82:44 Got it. [SPEAKER_01] - 82:44 So you disagree with birthright citizenship? [SPEAKER_01] - 82:46 Giving them a U.S. passport. [SPEAKER_01] - 82:47 Yes, I do not believe in birthright citizenship. [SPEAKER_01] - 82:49 Yes. [SPEAKER_01] - 82:51 How are you doing, Charlie? [SPEAKER_01] - 82:51 We're going to move fast, so I apologize in advance. [SPEAKER_01] - 82:53 Okay, sure thing. [SPEAKER_01] - 82:55 So first of all, just really quickly, I just wanted to brief this and say that I'm conservative. [SPEAKER_01] - 83:00 I also play music. [SPEAKER_01] - 83:01 I'm a musician. [SPEAKER_01] - 83:02 And I just wanted to know since so much of the music industry is very much on the left wing and all of that stuff, [SPEAKER_01] - 83:08 if Turning Point is going to try and expand more in that direction, and if there's anything that people... [SPEAKER_01] - 83:13 Not so much, but we need more conservatives in the arts because modern music... [SPEAKER_01] - 83:17 Modern art, modern drawing, art's terrible and ugly because the left at its core, their worldview is terrible and ugly. [SPEAKER_01] - 83:22 We need music that lifts up, that points up, that glorifies God and cares about the good, the true, and the beautiful. [SPEAKER_01] - 83:28 And thank you for being in the arts, man. [SPEAKER_01] - 83:29 What do you think that people like me can do in order to get our voices to reach out? [SPEAKER_01] - 83:31 Find other conservative artists, build a community, and find ways to collaborate. [SPEAKER_01] - 83:35 Art flourishes in community. [SPEAKER_01] - 83:37 Find people that can do that. [SPEAKER_01] - 83:38 Thank you so much. [SPEAKER_01] - 83:38 Good next question. [SPEAKER_01] - 83:39 Thank you. [SPEAKER_01] - 83:41 Again, I apologize in advance. [SPEAKER_01] - 83:42 We're running out of time. [SPEAKER_14] - 83:43 Thank you, Charlie. [SPEAKER_14] - 83:43 My name's Ben. [SPEAKER_14] - 83:44 I want to say I think you cooked Hassan in that debate a couple years ago. [SPEAKER_14] - 83:47 But yeah, I'm not a Republican. [SPEAKER_14] - 83:49 I'm not conservative. [SPEAKER_14] - 83:50 I'm pretty independent. [SPEAKER_14] - 83:51 My question is, I think Trump currently, a lot of his rhetoric, I agree with some of what he's doing. [SPEAKER_14] - 83:55 But I think a lot of his rhetoric is destroying our reputation across the planet. [SPEAKER_14] - 84:00 And that I think essentially it's pushing our country into a decline. [SPEAKER_14] - 84:04 I think China's taking a lot of where we currently stood and where we stood in the past. [SPEAKER_01] - 84:09 Okay, I mean, what about his rhetoric and why does that matter and what's the relevancy to this? [SPEAKER_14] - 84:13 Well, I mean, my problem is you have a lot of the people on his side that are going to Europe. [SPEAKER_14] - 84:18 They're saying Europe is this place where, I mean, look at a lot of what J.D. Vance said in that chat. [SPEAKER_14] - 84:24 And I mean, you could agree with it or not, but I mean, the point is he talks about Canada. [SPEAKER_14] - 84:28 This way we're pushing Canada into this point where Canada absolutely despises us. [SPEAKER_01] - 84:32 Would you rather have him do things you like or say things you like? [SPEAKER_14] - 84:34 I would rather him, I mean, I'd rather both. [SPEAKER_01] - 84:37 What actually matters 40 years from now? [SPEAKER_01] - 84:39 What a president says or what a president does? [SPEAKER_14] - 84:40 Well, I think what matters in 40 years is China is going to be taking our position. [SPEAKER_01] - 84:43 Has nothing to do with his rhetoric. [SPEAKER_01] - 84:44 President Trump's rhetoric towards China is refreshing. [SPEAKER_01] - 84:46 It's new. [SPEAKER_01] - 84:47 Joe Biden literally slept as a brain-dead idiot for four years on China. [SPEAKER_01] - 84:50 Donald Trump has woken up to China. [SPEAKER_01] - 84:52 I agree. [SPEAKER_01] - 84:52 I agree. [SPEAKER_01] - 84:52 I'm just saying what he's actually said on China is really good. [SPEAKER_01] - 84:54 I encourage you to look at it. [SPEAKER_01] - 84:55 Next question. [SPEAKER_01] - 84:56 Yes, thank you. [SPEAKER_01] - 84:57 Yep. I'm not trying to being a jerk, by the way. It's just timing. Thank you. [SPEAKER_01] - 85:02 Hi, Charlie. I've been following you for a long time. [SPEAKER_01] - 85:05 Oh, sorry. My question for you is, is it fair to assume everyone protesting Palestine freedom? [SPEAKER_01] - 85:11 Support Thomas? [SPEAKER_01] - 85:13 No. [SPEAKER_01] - 85:13 No? [SPEAKER_01] - 85:14 Well, that's it. [SPEAKER_01] - 85:15 Thank you. Next question. [SPEAKER_01] - 85:18 But some do. [SPEAKER_01] - 85:19 This will be the last question. [SPEAKER_03] - 85:20 Hello, Mr. Charlie Kirk. [SPEAKER_03] - 85:23 So I have a question about... [SPEAKER_03] - 85:26 Christianity and with all of the language in the Bible about supporting the foreigner and [SPEAKER_03] - 85:33 supporting the poor and all of that that has come out of, let's say, the social gospel [SPEAKER_03] - 85:39 and things like that, why is it not reasonable for Christians to end up with left-leaning [SPEAKER_03] - 85:45 politics or... [SPEAKER_03] - 85:46 liberal politics or progressive politics? [SPEAKER_01] - 85:49 Well, because the Bible equally, if not more, [SPEAKER_01] - 85:51 talks about order and structure and borders. [SPEAKER_01] - 85:53 The entire book of Nehemiah is around building the wall. [SPEAKER_01] - 85:57 And 1 Corinthians says that God is a God of order. [SPEAKER_01] - 86:00 And understand that, is it telling the state to do that [SPEAKER_01] - 86:02 or the person to do that? [SPEAKER_01] - 86:03 We should all care for the poor personally, [SPEAKER_01] - 86:04 individually, and through our churches. [SPEAKER_01] - 86:06 Is it the role of the state? [SPEAKER_01] - 86:07 That is to be debated. [SPEAKER_01] - 86:08 Equally, if you're on the left, [SPEAKER_01] - 86:09 you're also denying God's design of male and female, [SPEAKER_01] - 86:12 God's design of where life is created at conception. [SPEAKER_01] - 86:14 You're also at war with this idea of the proper role of the state. [SPEAKER_01] - 86:18 And let's just say this, the bigger the government, [SPEAKER_01] - 86:19 the smaller the citizen and the smaller the church. [SPEAKER_01] - 86:21 We see this in Europe. [SPEAKER_01] - 86:22 As government gets bigger, the church gets smaller. [SPEAKER_01] - 86:25 And so while I'm not going to say that there's... [SPEAKER_01] - 86:27 the misunderstanding of scripture is that government is here to save you. [SPEAKER_01] - 86:30 We believe that God is here to save you. [SPEAKER_01] - 86:32 We believe government should be small but strong to do moral and righteous and good things while we're here on this earth for God's purposes. [SPEAKER_01] - 86:39 But we want the church to be big and the government to be small. [SPEAKER_01] - 86:41 Final thought. [SPEAKER_01] - 86:41 This is the last question of the tour, by the way. [SPEAKER_03] - 86:42 But do we want the government to partake in... [SPEAKER_03] - 86:46 the things that the church is influencing in society, right? [SPEAKER_03] - 86:49 Like, we want our government right now, like, to protect liberty, freedom, things that we think come from the Bible. [SPEAKER_01] - 86:54 Those are proper roles of government. [SPEAKER_03] - 86:55 We don't think that the government should also be a part of the well-being of society in a way that... [SPEAKER_01] - 87:01 A, it doesn't do a good job of it. [SPEAKER_01] - 87:02 B, it's not a good scope of it. [SPEAKER_01] - 87:03 For example, the states with the biggest government have the most homeless and the most suffering. [SPEAKER_01] - 87:06 California has more money than knows what to do with, tens of billions of dollars. [SPEAKER_01] - 87:09 You've got more homeless than any other state, more wealth inequality. [SPEAKER_01] - 87:12 Just because government is big under the auspice of helping people doesn't mean people are actually helped. [SPEAKER_01] - 87:16 If you cared about your neighbor and cared about the poor, you would cut government programs [SPEAKER_01] - 87:19 and give them jobs and actually have them go to church and do the social welfare through churches and through charities, not through government. [SPEAKER_03] - 87:25 Okay, I agree with you there. [SPEAKER_03] - 87:27 So then you would completely disavow liberation theology. [SPEAKER_01] - 87:29 Absolutely. Liberation theology is garbage. [SPEAKER_01] - 87:32 Absolutely. [SPEAKER_03] - 87:32 It's rooted in Marxism. [SPEAKER_03] - 87:33 Yes, correct. [SPEAKER_01] - 87:33 Okay. [SPEAKER_01] - 87:34 And I'm not a Catholic either, so I mean, yeah. [SPEAKER_03] - 87:36 Same. [SPEAKER_03] - 87:36 So then the other point that I have that I disagree with you on. [SPEAKER_03] - 87:38 Last point that we got to go. [SPEAKER_03] - 87:39 I really disagree with you on the mass incarceration piece, right? [SPEAKER_03] - 87:42 Blacks, we do more crime. [SPEAKER_03] - 87:44 And I like to say Negroes. [SPEAKER_03] - 87:45 I like to say Negroes because Black is too expensive. [SPEAKER_01] - 87:47 But you can say that. [SPEAKER_03] - 87:47 It's too expensive because you got Africans, you got all different types of... [SPEAKER_03] - 87:51 But here's the thing, though. [SPEAKER_03] - 87:53 The reality is that mass incarceration came from a place of like... [SPEAKER_03] - 87:57 There's hard stance on crime and the war on drugs, which, you know, you would argue, well, you would arguably, you should argue that like even Donald Trump in his administration saw something about that as he passed the First Step Act, right? [SPEAKER_03] - 88:09 The reality is that not everybody who's incarcerated deserves to be incarcerated. [SPEAKER_03] - 88:12 We do incarcerate people more harshly. [SPEAKER_03] - 88:14 We do have old people in prison. [SPEAKER_03] - 88:15 There's a lot of... [SPEAKER_01] - 88:16 We should have longer prison sentences. [SPEAKER_01] - 88:17 I mean, the average rapist only serves four years in jail. [SPEAKER_03] - 88:19 Well, I'm talking about nonviolent offenders. [SPEAKER_01] - 88:21 And the reality is that this is based in the war on drugs. [SPEAKER_01] - 88:24 Nonviolent, it depends on what they were nonviolent. [SPEAKER_03] - 88:26 But for the 70s, it was like 20,000 women in prison. [SPEAKER_03] - 88:28 Now it's over 300,000, which is like women aren't that violent as much compared to men. [SPEAKER_01] - 88:33 But you could do a lot of harm outside of being violent. [SPEAKER_03] - 88:36 Well, the reality is that mass incarceration was not necessarily... [SPEAKER_01] - 88:40 But let me prove it to you. [SPEAKER_01] - 88:41 Do you know only half of murders in Chicago get solved? [SPEAKER_01] - 88:44 That means half of all the murderers are still walking in Chicago. [SPEAKER_01] - 88:47 Evidence we don't have enough people in prison. [SPEAKER_01] - 88:49 You might be right about some of the lesser crimes of nonviolent stuff, [SPEAKER_01] - 88:52 but we actually have a over-compassion problem for violent offenders in this country. [SPEAKER_03] - 88:56 One of the things that I'm trying to encourage is that I'll let you know. [SPEAKER_03] - 89:00 I agree with you. [SPEAKER_01] - 89:01 I voted for Donald Trump. [SPEAKER_01] - 89:02 Thank you. [SPEAKER_01] - 89:02 Good for you. [SPEAKER_03] - 89:03 I believe in most everything, 90% of everything that you say. [SPEAKER_03] - 89:07 Thank you. [SPEAKER_03] - 89:07 I think that your conversation with... [SPEAKER_01] - 89:08 And that's what this is all about. [SPEAKER_03] - 89:09 Your conversation with Jordan Peterson most recently... [SPEAKER_03] - 89:11 kept me, gave me this illumination about the reality that there needs to be some sort of yin-yang [SPEAKER_03] - 89:17 between the sides and that when we're in this sort of a silo here, we lose the reality that we need [SPEAKER_03] - 89:23 that relevatory space of justice that needs to happen in our society, even though we need the [SPEAKER_03] - 89:27 structure and the order. We need laws. We need people to be in prison when they're doing things [SPEAKER_03] - 89:31 wrong in society, but we also need to understand this. There's a lot of people who are in prison [SPEAKER_03] - 89:35 who probably shouldn't be. A lot of people have been affected. I wouldn't say a lot, but some. But... [SPEAKER_03] - 89:38 I wouldn't blame like black, all right, [SPEAKER_03] - 89:40 I wouldn't blame black people's peril to slavery or Jim Crow. [SPEAKER_03] - 89:43 Fair enough. [SPEAKER_01] - 89:43 I know that we were on an economic incline. [SPEAKER_03] - 89:45 And so I'm honest with that. [SPEAKER_03] - 89:47 And this is the reason why I voted for Trump and the reason why, you know, [SPEAKER_03] - 89:49 I'm a registered Republican now. [SPEAKER_01] - 89:50 God bless you, man. [SPEAKER_01] - 89:51 Can I get that 47 now? [SPEAKER_01] - 89:51 Yes, you sir. [SPEAKER_01] - 89:52 Yes, you can. [SPEAKER_01] - 89:53 Can you sign it? [SPEAKER_01] - 89:53 Thank you. [SPEAKER_01] - 89:54 I will. [SPEAKER_01] - 89:54 I want to thank you. [SPEAKER_01] - 89:55 You have the great honor. [SPEAKER_01] - 89:56 You are the last question of what has been a historic, [SPEAKER_01] - 89:59 incredibly viral campus tour. [SPEAKER_01] - 90:01 Thank you. [SPEAKER_01] - 90:02 And you were respectful. [SPEAKER_01] - 90:04 And what a great way to end. [SPEAKER_01] - 90:06 Thank you, my friend. [SPEAKER_01] - 90:06 And God bless you, Riverside. [SPEAKER_01] - 90:08 Thank you guys so much. [SPEAKER_03] - 90:13 Thank you, man. [SPEAKER_03] - 90:14 And if you're hiring, God bless you.